How dense would something have to be to stop a bullet?

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The discussion revolves around the question of how dense a material would need to be to stop a bullet traveling at 680 mph. Participants explore various materials, conditions, and concepts related to stopping bullets, including the role of density, structure, and the effects of air compression.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant queries the thickness and density required for a material to stop a bullet traveling at 680 mph.
  • Another participant asks for specifics about the bullet's size and shape, as well as the material's structure, suggesting these factors influence the outcome.
  • A participant points out that density alone may not be a good indicator of a material's ability to stop a bullet, citing kevlar as an example.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about how compressed air would need to be to stop a bullet, with one participant suggesting that the atmosphere can eventually stop a bullet, given enough distance.
  • One participant discusses the conservation of energy and momentum in relation to high-density materials and how they might spread the impact load of a bullet.
  • Another participant mentions that stopping a bullet requires expending its energy and absorbing its momentum, providing examples of materials like cotton and dirt that can achieve this.
  • There is a suggestion to estimate the acceleration required for a bullet to stop within a specific distance, using a mathematical approach based on the SUVAT equations.
  • One participant speculates about the effectiveness of liquid nitrogen in stopping a bullet, indicating uncertainty about the conditions under which this might occur.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints and hypotheses regarding the density and material properties needed to stop a bullet, with no consensus reached on a definitive answer. The discussion includes multiple competing ideas and uncertainties about the factors involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of defining terms such as "stop" and considering the distance available for deceleration, indicating that assumptions about conditions and definitions are critical to the discussion.

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Let's say that an object is 3 inches thick, how dense would it have to be to stop a bullet traveling 680 mp/h?
 
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How big is the bullet? What shape is it? Does the material have a grainy structure or a homogenous gelatin structure?
 
kevlar isn't particularly dense, and it will easily stop a bullet. Why do you think density is a good indicator of a material's ability to stop a bullet?
 
Really,what i mean is how compressed would air have to be to stop a bullet?
 
that would be pretty cool. uh... If you know the range of a weapon, then you could work out the mass of air it traveled through. And then you can calculate the equivalent density of air which would give the same mass over a different volume.

But this would probably not work very well, since the air resistance forces are going to be non-linear for sure. Maybe assuming a force which goes as velocity squared would be better.
 
samsanof said:
Really,what i mean is how compressed would air have to be to stop a bullet?

Not compressed at all. Our atmosphere can stop a bullet, it just takes a while. You need more information to answer this kind of thing. Do you want to stop it in a mile? In an inch? In a nanometer?
 
High density material employs conservation of energy and conservation of momentum to spread the impact load. The bullet fragments becomes part of the high density material.

A bullet delivers a high kinetic energy to a small area on the target over a very short period of time. To stop a bullet you must quickly convert that KE to heat, and / or spread the material over a much greater area. Some bullets are designed to focus their energy. Although they will be vaporised on impact there will still be a significant KE in that vapour. The vapour may be toxic.
 
ModusPwnd said:
Not compressed at all. Our atmosphere can stop a bullet, it just takes a while. You need more information to answer this kind of thing. Do you want to stop it in a mile? In an inch? In a nanometer?
He kinda was...
samsanof said:
Let's say that an object is 3 inches thick, how dense would it have to be to stop a bullet traveling 680 mp/h?
 
Ahh, my bad.
 
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Stopping a bullet requires two things:
1. The energy of the bullet must be expended
2. The momentum of the bullet must be absorbed

A bale of cotton will do both. So will a pile of dirt.
 
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samsanof said:
Really,what i mean is how compressed would air have to be to stop a bullet
The bullet will decelerate but never quite stop. The profile and weight of the bullet will make a big difference. You must redefine “stop” and provide some idea of the distance that is available to decelerate the bullet to a “safe” speed.
 
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If it's of interest you could estimate the acceleration the bullet must undertake in order to stop in 3 inches. If we assume constant acceleration (which might not be a valid assumption) then we can use SUVAT equation...

V2= U2 + 2as

where

V = final velocity (eg 0)
U = initial velocity (304 meters/sec)
s = distance (eg 3 inches = 0.075 meters)
a = acceleration.

Rearranging the equation gives

a= (V2 - U2)/2s

a = -3042/0.150
= -62,000 ms-2

Roughly 6200g
 
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samsanof said:
Really,what i mean is how compressed would air have to be to stop a bullet?

I suspect a bullet would pass through 75mm of liquid nitrogen (at atmospheric pressure but that's not quite what you are asking).
 
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