How did they integrate the charge for Voltage question

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The discussion revolves around finding the electric potential for a disc of charge, specifically focusing on the integration process involved in the calculation. Participants are exploring the mathematical reasoning behind the integral and its components.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the disappearance of terms in the integral, particularly how R'dR' simplifies in the context of the integral. There is mention of applying u-substitution to aid in the integration process.

Discussion Status

Some participants are providing clarifications regarding the integral's structure, noting the importance of the denominator involving the square root. Others suggest that understanding the assumptions about the variables may clarify the integration process. There is an acknowledgment of the challenges faced in solving the integral, with references to using computational tools.

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There are indications of formatting issues in the posts, as well as expressions of frustration from participants regarding the integration problem. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to clarify the mathematical process and emotional responses to the challenges encountered.

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I have a question on finding potential for a disc of charge when it comes to the simple integration
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how does the integral of R'dR'/etc have the R'dR' just disappear? i thought it would then be R^2/2
I am obviously missing something here
 
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Hi kiwibird4. Please remember to use the formatting template for all questions posted in the homework section.

The integral in question is not simply of R'dR'. Note that the denominator contains ##\sqrt{z^2 + R'^2}##.
 
kiwibird4 said:
I have a question on finding potential for a disc of charge when it comes to the simple integration
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how does the integral of R'dR'/etc have the R'dR' just disappear? i thought it would then be R^2/2
I am obviously missing something here
u-substitution ##u = z^2+R'^2## is applied.
 
gneill said:
Hi kiwibird4. Please remember to use the formatting template for all questions posted in the homework section.

The integral in question is not simply of R'dR'. Note that the denominator contains ##\sqrt{z^2 + R'^2}##.

I'm SORRYYYY :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::H:H:H:H:H:H:H:H
I even had to check the lil button that said -I have followed the homework format
:cry:
 
kiwibird4 said:
I'm SORRYYYY :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::H:H:H:H:H:H:H:H
I even had to check the lil button that said -I have followed the homework format
:cry:
Somehow we must all struggle through this great tragedy and believe in the promise of a brighter tomorrow :smile:

Cheers.
 
Assuming you have looked up this integral in tables of same, I think what you're missing is the assumptions about the variables and z that would make the problem trivial if only you knew what they are. Even if you have success using the methods others have suggested earlier, looking for assumptions is a useful exercise that can pay off later on...

As an aside, it took me a while to get Mathematica to solve your integral. The evaluation hung up until I specified the assumptions required to give an unambiguous answer (The same one, even!). MMA's both interesting and frustrating that way. In order to be as general as possible, it makes few assumptions but provides the user with methods to specify them.
 

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