How Do Charges Transfer and Affect Coulombic Forces?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around applying Coulomb's law to a scenario involving three identical plastic balls, two of which have opposite charges and one that is initially uncharged. The participants are exploring how charge transfer occurs when the uncharged ball comes into contact with the charged balls and how this affects the forces between them.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand the charge distribution when the uncharged ball comes into contact with the charged ball. Questions are raised about how the charge is shared and whether it results in equal charges on both balls after contact.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the uniform distribution of charge upon contact and how this relates to the forces calculated using Coulomb's law. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these charge transfers on the forces between the balls, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the assumption that the balls behave as perfect conductors, which may influence the discussion on charge distribution. The original poster expresses confusion about the mechanics of charge transfer and its effects on the forces involved.

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Homework Statement


I don't understand how to apply coulombs law when there are 3 balls, giving each other charge. I know that the answer for part a) is 0.02N and part b) is 0.005 N but have no idea how to get these answers.


Homework Equations


Two identical plastic balls A and B with a metallic coating are given identical but opposite charges and placed a fixed distance apart. There is found to be an attractive force of 0.04N between them. A third identical, but initially uncharged ball, C is now brought into contact with ball A and then removed.
a) what will be the force between A and B now
b) if ball c, still with the charge it obtained from ball a is now brought into contact with ball b and then removed, what will the force be between a and b now?


The Attempt at a Solution


For part a) I tried substituting -1 and +1 for the charge but I still don't understand how the ball's A and C have transferred charge.
And for part b) I need to understand how to get part a) first
 
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Think of charge distribution.

When you first touch ball C to ball A, some of the charge from ball A will be distributed through C.

How much do you think that would be proportionally if ball C is initially uncharged?
 
NewtonianAlch said:
Think of charge distribution.

When you first touch ball C to ball A, some of the charge from ball A will be distributed through C.

How much do you think that would be proportionally if ball C is initially uncharged?

erm...hmm when you first touch ball A to C would the total charge from A half-out with C? so now both ball is the same charge? I'm not sure if electricity works in the same way as heating and cooling :confused:
 
paperdoll said:
erm...hmm when you first touch ball A to C would the total charge from A half-out with C? so now both ball is the same charge? I'm not sure if electricity works in the same way as heating and cooling :confused:

Yes, the charges would evenly distribute themselves over the connection made by touching.
 
NewtonianAlch said:
Yes, the charges would evenly distribute themselves over the connection made by touching.

so now that both balls are the same charge, the charge of the ball A is halfed? so that's why the 0.04 N --> 0.02 N for part a) of the question
 
Yeah

F=(1/(4∏ε))*(q1*q2/r2)

so when q1 is halved, F is halved

say A had and original charge of q0

A and C now have a charge of 1/2 q0

C touches B the total charge on both is q0 + 1/2 q0 as equal surface area
=> evenly distributed again, then sub into your formula
 

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