How Do Electrons Form a Bond in Covalent Bonding Despite Their Mutual Repulsion?

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The discussion centers on the nature of covalent bonding, specifically how electrons can form bonds despite their mutual repulsion. Participants explore the underlying principles of attraction and repulsion in chemical bonding, considering both classical and quantum mechanical perspectives.

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  • Some participants note the irony of electrons forming bonds despite their mutual repulsion, questioning how attraction occurs in covalent bonding.
  • One participant explains that in a hydrogen molecule, the attraction of electrons to positively charged nuclei and the repulsion between electrons creates a local equilibrium, suggesting that chemical bonds are a compromise.
  • Another participant emphasizes that while hydrogen is electrically neutral, the attraction between protons and electrons is not due to gravity but rather due to interactions at a quantum level, such as instantaneous dipoles.
  • A later reply introduces the quantum mechanical perspective, stating that according to Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, electrons can occupy more space in a bond, leading to lower kinetic energy and thus facilitating bond formation.

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Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of bond formation, with some focusing on classical explanations involving attraction and repulsion, while others introduce quantum mechanical concepts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise nature of the forces at play in covalent bonding.

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Participants highlight the complexity of interactions in covalent bonding, noting that the discussion involves both classical and quantum mechanical interpretations, which may depend on specific definitions and assumptions about atomic behavior.

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There's a rule bout unlike charges attract and like charges repel one another. How is it that in chemical bonding like in covalent bonding electrons form a bond or there is attraction from one unto the other. Isn't that ironic?
 
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Well, to take the simplest example of the bond in a hydrogen molecule, you have two positively charged nuclei, and two electrons. Each electron is attracted to both nuclei, but repelled by the other electron. Chemical bonds are then a sort of compromise; it's a local equilibrium where it would take more energy to smoosh them closer closer together or pull them further apart.

That two electrons can be in the vicinity of positively charged nuclei is not without precedent.
After all, Helium atoms have two electrons orbiting each of them and are stable, even though the electrons repel each other.
 
jfizzix said:
Well, to take the simplest example of the bond in a hydrogen molecule, you have two positively charged nuclei, and two electrons. Each electron is attracted to both nuclei, but repelled by the other electron. Chemical bonds are then a sort of compromise; it's a local equilibrium where it would take more energy to smoosh them closer closer together or pull them further apart.

That two electrons can be in the vicinity of positively charged nuclei is not without precedent.
After all, Helium atoms have two electrons orbiting each of them and are stable, even though the electrons repel each other.
But isn't Hydrogen atom electrically neutral? One +p and -e, what is then the attraction between one over the other? Is it not gravity or something?
 
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bronx said:
But isn't Hydrogen atom electrically neutral? One +p and -e, what is then the attraction between one over the other? Is it not gravity or something?
Forget about gravity. What you have, at long range, is the interaction of the instantaneous dipole. As the two atoms get closer, you will have the electron of one atom having a non-negligible overlap with the nucleus of the other atom.
 
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DrClaude said:
Forget about gravity. What you have, at long range, is the interaction of the instantaneous dipole. As the two atoms get closer, you will have the electron of one atom having a non-negligible overlap with the nucleus of the other atom.
That's is more real I agree. thanks.
 
bronx said:
How is it that in chemical bonding like in covalent bonding electrons form a bond or there is attraction from one unto the other. Isn't that ironic?
There is no attraction between the electrons and mutual repulsion of the electrons is rather an obstacle to bond formation. As others pointed out already, this repulsion is partially made off by the attraction of the nuclei, but this wouldn't explain bonding.
The real reason behind bond formation is a quantum mechanical one: According to Heisenberg's uncertainty relation, the average momentum of an electron will be the lower, the more space it can occupy. Lower momentum also means lower kinetic energy. In a molecule, an electron has the chance to be found on either of two atoms instead of only one before bond formation. Hence it can occupy more space and it's kinetic energy gets lower.
 
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