How Do Free Electrons Transfer Kinetic Energy in Copper Wires?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanisms by which free electrons transfer kinetic energy to atoms in copper wires, particularly in the context of electrical circuits. Participants explore the nature of free electrons, their interactions with atomic structures, and the resulting heating effects in conductors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the energy transfer involves electrons that are free from their atoms or those that jump to other valence bands of copper atoms.
  • Another participant suggests that free electrons are not bound to a single atom but are part of a "sea" surrounding the metal atoms.
  • It is proposed that free electrons transfer kinetic energy to copper atoms primarily through collisions with the ions.
  • A participant expresses confusion about how to describe the process of energy transfer and the resulting heating of the conductor.
  • Discussion includes the Drude model, which treats conduction electrons as classical particles colliding with atomic cores, and contrasts this with quantum mechanical treatments involving electron-phonon scattering.
  • There is a request for a simpler explanation of the quantum mechanical perspective on electron interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the concept of free electrons interacting with atomic cores, but there is no consensus on the best way to explain these interactions, particularly in relation to quantum mechanics versus classical models.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the clarity of explanations provided, particularly in distinguishing between classical and quantum mechanical views. There are unresolved questions about the adequacy of the collision explanation for energy transfer.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and educators seeking to understand the behavior of electrons in conductive materials, as well as those interested in the foundational concepts of electrical conductivity and heating in metals.

cubozoan
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Hi forum

I need to explain the following to pupils of about 17 years of age.

2 questions regarding free electron kinetic energy transfer to copper wire (or resistor) material atoms in an electrical circuit.

1. I am confused as in which situation free electrons in a circuit transfer energy to heat a copper wire. Is it electrons that are free of their atom or electrons that jump to other outer valence bands of (copper wire) atoms?

2. How do free electrons actually transfer energy (kinetic) to (copper wire) atoms? How do they vibrate the copper wire atoms to heat the wire? Do they collide or some other mechanism?

Thank you for your time reading this. I hope I have made myself clear

Regards

Andy
 
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cubozoan said:
1. I am confused as in which situation free electrons in a circuit transfer energy to heat a copper wire. Is it electrons that are free of their atom or electrons that jump to other outer valence bands of (copper wire) atoms?

The free electrons are not bound to any single atom, but are instead bound to the metal as a whole. You can think about it as having each metal atom rigidly set in place with a "sea" of free electrons around it. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_current#Metals

2. How do free electrons actually transfer energy (kinetic) to (copper wire) atoms? How do they vibrate the copper wire atoms to heat the wire? Do they collide or some other mechanism?

Collisions with the ions.
 
Thank you for the replies and discussion. I feel some of the content is beyond my understanding.

I think my first question has been answred - they are both a similar thing. In both situations they still belong to a nucleus.

I need help describing how electrons (or a sea of electrons) transfer kinetic energy (being accelerated by electric field within an electrical circuit) to conductor atoms - thus heating conductor and electrons losing kinetic energy themselves
 
As soon as I posted a reply it seems some previous posts have vanished
 
cubozoan said:
I think my first question has been answred - they are both a similar thing. In both situations they still belong to a nucleus.

A free electron cannot be said to belong to anyone nucleus. They are being shared between every nucleus in the metal.

I need help describing how electrons (or a sea of electrons) transfer kinetic energy (being accelerated by electric field within an electrical circuit) to conductor atoms - thus heating conductor and electrons losing kinetic energy themselves

Was the explanation that they collide with ions not good enough?
 
In the relatively simple Drude model, the conduction electrons are treated as classical particles that can collide with the atomic cores. If the electrons are accelerated by an electrical field, the collisions increase the vibration of the atoms and cause heating. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drude_model .

In a quantum mechanical treatment, electrons are not seen as classical particles and we talk about electron-phonon scattering as the source of electrical resistivity and heating.
 
Thank you guys. I wonder if it seems possible to explain QM situation simply?

There is a challenge
 

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