How do i calculate the energy lost by my catapult

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy lost by a catapult in transferring energy to its projectile. Participants explore methods to quantify the energy of the projectile upon impact, considering factors such as air resistance, initial velocity, and potential energy stored in the catapult mechanism. The scope includes theoretical calculations, experimental approaches, and practical applications relevant to an engineering assignment.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a formula to calculate the energy of the projectile as it lands, noting the inefficiency of the catapult in energy transfer.
  • Another participant suggests modeling the projectile's path while ignoring air resistance and proposes measuring air resistance through drop tests from a height.
  • It is mentioned that knowing the mass of the projectile allows for the calculation of initial kinetic energy based on its initial velocity.
  • A participant questions whether the focus is on energy loss due to air resistance or within the catapult itself, recommending experiments to determine the spring constant for potential energy calculations.
  • One participant states that their calculated spring constant and theoretical values for time and distance differ significantly from actual measurements, suggesting a factor of about ten.
  • Another participant assumes minimal air resistance for a heavy and smooth projectile and discusses fitting a parabola to the projectile's trajectory to calculate initial velocity and kinetic energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on how to approach the calculation of energy loss, with no consensus reached on the best method or the significance of air resistance versus catapult efficiency.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding air resistance and the efficiency of the catapult, but these assumptions remain unverified and depend on specific conditions of the experiment.

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I Have built a catapult for a 1st year engineering assignment, I know catapult are extremely energy inefficient and my theoretical catapult calculations prove that, but i don't know how to calculate the exact energy of my projectile as it hits the ground again, I can measure the projectiles real life height, distance, weight and time but I am a bit lost on the formula to find the joules of the projectile as it land. In summery I want to be able to calculate how energy inefficient my catapult in transferring energy to its projectile.
 
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If you have a projectile, which is heavy and appears streamlined, you could model a path which ignores air resistance to get the projectile to the target. You may be able to test how much air resistance if you are able to drop test the projectile from a tall height and measure the time. Physics labs have equipment to measure this accurately.
You can calculate the initial velocity of the projectile as it leaves necessary to hit a certain distance. Knowing the mass, you can calculate initial kinetic energy. Are you wanting to know if there is energy loss to the air, or energy loss within the actual catapult? If it is the catapult, then you can do some experiments to find the spring constant, and figure out how much potential energy you are putting into it.
 
scottdave said:
If you have a projectile, which is heavy and appears streamlined, you could model a path which ignores air resistance to get the projectile to the target. You may be able to test how much air resistance if you are able to drop test the projectile from a tall height and measure the time. Physics labs have equipment to measure this accurately.
You can calculate the initial velocity of the projectile as it leaves necessary to hit a certain distance. Knowing the mass, you can calculate initial kinetic energy. Are you wanting to know if there is energy loss to the air, or energy loss within the actual catapult? If it is the catapult, then you can do some experiments to find the spring constant, and figure out how much potential energy you are putting into it.
The energy lost by the catapult, I calculated the spring constant and the theoretical time and distances I calculated are large than those in reality by a factor for 10 roughly
 
So I would assume very little air resistance, if my projectile is heavy, relative to its size, and smooth (something like a small steel ball). Then based on height and distance, you should be able to fit a parabola and calculate what the initial velocity is. from that you can calculate initial kinetic energy. Figure how much energy you put in (1/2)*k*x^2, then find the difference.
 
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