How Do I Calculate the Integral of e^x(lnx) and Anti-Derivative of x^x?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the integral of the function e^x(lnx) and the anti-derivative of x^x. Participants explore various methods and approaches to tackle these integrals, including the use of series and numerical integration techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions attempting methods like integration by parts but struggles to reach a solution.
  • Another participant asserts that the integral cannot be computed in a straightforward manner.
  • A third participant introduces the concept of the exponential integral function as relevant to the anti-derivative of e^x(lnx).
  • Several participants suggest taking the derivative of a specific expression involving e^x and a series to explore its properties.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the usefulness of a diverging series presented in the discussion.
  • A participant questions the terminology and notation used in the discussion, specifically the summation symbol.
  • Another participant clarifies that while x^x has an anti-derivative, it cannot be expressed in terms of elementary functions.
  • There is a suggestion that the integral of x^x(lnx+1) can be approached using substitution.
  • A participant reflects on the relationship between differentiation and integration, noting the complexity of integration compared to differentiation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the solvability of the integrals discussed. While some propose methods and express curiosity, others assert limitations and challenges without reaching a consensus on a definitive approach.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the convergence of series and the applicability of certain methods. The discussion also highlights the complexity of integration compared to differentiation.

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i have tried some methods like uv - integral vdu but can't reach the answer
 
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You won't be able to do it.
 
Try to take the derivative of this with respect to $x$, and see what do you get:

[tex]e^x\left[\ln x-\sum_{i=1}^{\infty}(i-1)!x^{-i}\right][/tex]
 
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cute.
 
tony.c.tan said:
Try to take the derivative of this with respect to $x$, and see what do you get:

[tex]e^x\left[\ln x-\sum_{i=1}^{\infty}(i-1)!x^{-i}\right][/tex]

Supercool!

Would you show what techniques are useful to get that anti-derivative?
 
tony.c.tan said:
Try to take the derivative of this with respect to $x$, and see what do you get:

[tex]e^x\left[\ln x-\sum_{i=1}^{\infty}(i-1)!x^{-i}\right][/tex]

Woh! a series that diverges for every x ... what a useful answer ...
 
g_edgar said:
Woh! a series that diverges for every x ... what a useful answer ...

Yeah, i noticed that after a while...

It MIGHT be, that the formula CAN be used, with extreme caution, since we will mainly use differences between two "values" of the anti-derivative. Thos difference might be convergent, even though both terms are not.

But, then again, a numerical integration scheme might do equally well...
 
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apologize for my ignorance but what is that process called and the Sigma looking symbol? I am an Yr 12 student currently doing VCE and studying specialist math and is just stumped on an equation hoping to find an answer in here.

NB: excuse me for fail to type with mathematic symbol
Anti-Differentiate x^x=?

But really i am asking how to anti-differentiate x^x(lnx+1) which comes from the derivative of y=x^x
Because out of curiosity i always hold the belief in math if there is a forward operation there should be a backwards operation so if i can differentiate x^x to get that ugly function to anti-differentitate what operations would i have to undergo.

Thanks for the trouble of reading this passage.
 
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Please start a new thread next time instead of posting to an already existing thread.

norice4u said:
apologize for my ignorance but what is that process called and the Sigma looking symbol?

The Sigma symbol is the summation symbol. It's just the shorthand for a sum. For example

[tex]\sum_{i=1}^3 i^2= 1^2+2^2+3^2[/tex]

Of course, things like [itex]\sum_{i=1}^{+\infty}[/itex] can not be defined as such since the sum would be infinite. Infinite sums are called series in mathematics and have a very big underlying theory.

NB: excuse me for fail to type with mathematic symbol
Anti-Differentiate x^x=?

This function certainly has an anti-derivative, but it can not be written in terms of elementary functions. Most functions do not have elementary anti-derivatives.

But really i am asking how to anti-differentiate x^x(lnx+1) which comes from the derivative of y=x^x

This integral can be solved by an easy substitution.

Because out of curiosity i always hold the belief in math if there is a forward operation there should be a backwards operation so if i can differentiate x^x to get that ugly function to anti-differentitate what operations would i have to undergo.

The "backwards operation" of differentiation is called integration. But integration is much more harder. Where differentiation has nice algorithms which can be used to differentiate all nice functions, the same is not true for integration. Most integrals are not easy to solve.

Anyway, I am locking this thread. Please make a new thread if you have further questions.
 

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