How do I calculate the maximum flow rate?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum flow rate of water from a building's outlet when the inlet pressure is known. Participants explore the relationship between inlet pressure, head loss in the piping system, and flow rate, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of fluid dynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the static water pressure at the building's water intake is 5 bar and seeks to determine the maximum flow rate when the outlet valve is fully open.
  • Another participant suggests using online calculators for piping losses as a potential resource for understanding flow rates.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the relationship between inlet pressure and flow rate, questioning whether maximum flow rate occurs when the inlet gauge pressure drops to zero or if it must remain above the head loss in the pipe.
  • A participant emphasizes that understanding the effects of inlet pressure drop due to high flow rates is crucial for calculating maximum flow rates.
  • There is a discussion about the pressure at the outlet being zero when the valve is fully open and how this relates to the head loss calculated from the inlet pressure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the conditions under which maximum flow rate is achieved, indicating multiple competing views on the relationship between inlet pressure, head loss, and flow rate.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need to consider the effects of pressure drop and head loss in their calculations, but the specific assumptions and definitions used in these calculations remain unresolved.

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A building has a water inlet and outlet. The static water pressure at the buildings water intake is 5 bar. I'm trying to determine how much water this outlet will deliver when its valve is fully open. In that state, the pipe size and length will result in a certain head loss that I can calculate for a spesific flow. But how can I determine what the maximum flow rate will be?
 
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There are numerous online calculators for piping losses. One of them might be able to help you.
 
anorlunda said:
There are numerous online calculators for piping losses. One of them might be able to help you.
Calculating the losses isn't really the issue. It's understanding what happens once the inlet pressure starts to drop due to the high flow rate. Will maximum flow rate be achieved once the inlet gauge pressure falls to zero? Or does the gauge pressure during flow need to be at least equal to the head loss through the pipe in order to overcome this?
 
TSN79 said:
the inlet pressure starts to drop due to the high flow rate

That's how losses are defined.
 
TSN79 said:
Calculating the losses isn't really the issue. It's understanding what happens once the inlet pressure starts to drop due to the high flow rate. Will maximum flow rate be achieved once the inlet gauge pressure falls to zero? Or does the gauge pressure during flow need to be at least equal to the head loss through the pipe in order to overcome this?

Translation: "Calculating the losses isn't really the issue. It's calculating the losses and their effect on flow rate."
 
TSN79 said:
Calculating the losses isn't really the issue. It's understanding what happens once the inlet pressure starts to drop due to the high flow rate. Will maximum flow rate be achieved once the inlet gauge pressure falls to zero? Or does the gauge pressure during flow need to be at least equal to the head loss through the pipe in order to overcome this?

When the valve is fully open, the pressure at the outlet is zero (gauge pressure). The pressure at some point upstream is 5 bar. The head loss in between is (5 - 0) = 5 bar. You only need to calculate the flow rate at which this is the case. If the pressure at the building inlet drops, then you need to calculate farther upstream.
 
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