How do I calculate the velocity of a two-ended rocket?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the velocity of a two-ended rocket consisting of a central block (mass 6 kg) and two side blocks (each mass 2 kg) after a sequence of explosions. At time t=0, block L is shot to the right at 3 m/s relative to the rocket, and at t=4/5 s, block R is shot to the right at 3 m/s relative to the velocity of block C. The final velocity of block C is determined to be 12/5 m/s, and the position of its center at t=14/5 s can be calculated using the derived velocities and conservation of momentum principles.

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  • #31
Eclair_de_XII said:
Now that you say it, it being 3 m/s starts to make sense. So ##v_R=\frac{9}{4}\frac{m}{s}##?.
Yes.
 
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  • #32
Okay, so I tried expressing ##\vec p_C## as ##\vec p_C=\vec p_R - \vec p_L##, but I'm not getting any results.

##\vec p_C=(m_C)(\frac{1}{3}v_R-v)##
##\vec p_R=(m_R)(v+v_R)##
##\vec p_L=(m_L)(u-v)##
##\vec p_C = \vec p_R - \vec p_L = m_Rv+m_Rv_R-m_Lu+m_Lv##
##\frac{1}{3}m_Cv_R-m_Cv=m_Rv+m_Rv_R-m_Lu+m_Lv##
##m_Rv+m_Lv+m_Cv=\frac{1}{3}m_Cv_R-m_Rv_R+m_Lu##
##v(m_R+m_L+m_C)=\frac{1}{3}m_Cv_R-m_Rv_R+m_Lu##
##v=(\frac{\frac{1}{3}m_Cv_R-m_Rv_R+m_Lu}{m_R+m_L+m_C})##
##v=(\frac{(\frac{9}{2}-\frac{9}{2}+6)(N⋅s)}{10kg})=\frac{3}{5}\frac{m}{s}##
 
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  • #33
Okay, I thought I the best approach would be to start with the equations for step (1) and (2).

##(1)## ##(m_L)(u-v)=(m_C+m_R)(v)##
##(2)## ##(m_R)(v_R+v)=(m_C)(v-\frac{m_R}{m_C}v_R)##

Rearranging (1) gives me:

##v=(\frac{m_L}{m_C+m_R})(u-v)##
##v(1+\frac{m_L}{m_C+m_R})=(\frac{m_L}{m_C+m_R})(u)##
##v=\frac{(\frac{m_L}{m_C+m_R})(u)}{(1+\frac{m_L}{m_C+m_R})}=(\frac{m_Lu}{m_C+m_L+m_R})=\frac{3}{5}\frac{m}{s}##

Rearranging (2) gives me:

##(v_R+v)=\frac{(m_C)(v-(\frac{m_R}{m_C})v_R)}{m_R}##
##v=(\frac{(m_C)(v-(\frac{m_R}{m_C})(v_R))}{m_R})-v_R##
##v(1-\frac{m_C}{m_R})=(\frac{-m_Rv_R}{m_R})-v_R##
##v=\frac{m_R}{m_R-m_C}((\frac{-m_Rv_R}{m_R})-\frac{m_Rv_R}{m_R})##
##v=((\frac{-m_Rv_R}{m_R-m_C})-\frac{m_Rv_R}{m_R-m_C})=-2(\frac{v_R}{m_R-m_C})=-2(\frac{\frac{9}{4}\frac{m}{s}}{-4kg})=\frac{9}{8}\frac{m}{s}##

So now I just have to express this in terms of the time parameter, I think?
 
  • #34
I'm not sure where you are going with your last two posts.
In post #30 you wrote that vR=9/4m/s. I confirmed that, but omitted to check exactly how you are defining vR there. From your post #28, it seems to be the final speed of the rightmost block relative to v, i.e. relative to its speed after the first explosion. Ok?
That would make your 9/4 correct.
So what is the speed of the central block relative to v after the second explosion, and in what direction?
What does that give you for the final speed of the central block in the lab frame?
 
  • #35
Whoa, I just figured out the answer. The velocity of ##m_C## isn't ##v##, it's actually ##v-(\frac{m_R}{m_C})(v_R)##.

##v_{C}=v-(\frac{m_R}{m_C})(v_R)=\frac{3}{5}\frac{m}{s}-(\frac{2kg}{6kg})(\frac{9}{4}\frac{m}{s})=-\frac{3}{20}\frac{m}{s}##
 
  • #36
Eclair_de_XII said:
Whoa, I just figured out the answer. The velocity of ##m_C## isn't ##v##, it's actually ##v-(\frac{m_R}{m_C})(v_R)##.

##v_{C}=v-(\frac{m_R}{m_C})(v_R)=\frac{3}{5}\frac{m}{s}-(\frac{2kg}{6kg})(\frac{9}{4}\frac{m}{s})=-\frac{3}{20}\frac{m}{s}##
Yes!
 
  • #37
##t=2s##
##x_0=vt_1=\frac{12}{25}m##
##x_f=x_0+v_Ct=\frac{12}{25}m+(-\frac{3}{20}\frac{m}{s})(2s)=\frac{48-30}{100}m=\frac{9}{50}m##

Well, thank you very much for helping me through this, haruspex. I literally do not believe I could have figured this out without any sort of help. Thank you for always helping me.
 
  • #38
Eclair_de_XII said:
##t=2s##
##x_0=vt_1=\frac{12}{25}m##
##x_f=x_0+v_Ct=\frac{12}{25}m+(-\frac{3}{20}\frac{m}{s})(2s)=\frac{48-30}{100}m=\frac{9}{50}m##

Well, thank you very much for helping me through this, haruspex. I literally do not believe I could have figured this out without any sort of help. Thank you for always helping me.
You are welcome. But you could do it without help next time, right?
 
  • #39
I think so. I'll see next weekend.
 

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