How do I calculate the velocity of a two-ended rocket?

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The discussion revolves around a two-ended rocket system consisting of a central block and two side blocks, focusing on the calculation of the velocity of the central block and its position after a series of explosions. The problem is set within the context of conservation of momentum in a closed system.

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  • Participants explore the conservation of momentum principles, questioning how the velocities of the side blocks relate to the central block's velocity. There are attempts to derive equations that incorporate the various velocities and masses involved, while some participants express confusion about the relationships and assumptions made.

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Several participants have offered insights into the conservation of momentum and its application to the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the velocities of the blocks and the implications of the explosions. Multiple interpretations and equations are being discussed, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or final equations.

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Participants note the absence of specific velocity values for the side blocks at certain times, which complicates the calculations. The discussion also reflects on the need for additional equations to resolve the unknowns in the momentum relationships.

  • #31
Eclair_de_XII said:
Now that you say it, it being 3 m/s starts to make sense. So ##v_R=\frac{9}{4}\frac{m}{s}##?.
Yes.
 
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  • #32
Okay, so I tried expressing ##\vec p_C## as ##\vec p_C=\vec p_R - \vec p_L##, but I'm not getting any results.

##\vec p_C=(m_C)(\frac{1}{3}v_R-v)##
##\vec p_R=(m_R)(v+v_R)##
##\vec p_L=(m_L)(u-v)##
##\vec p_C = \vec p_R - \vec p_L = m_Rv+m_Rv_R-m_Lu+m_Lv##
##\frac{1}{3}m_Cv_R-m_Cv=m_Rv+m_Rv_R-m_Lu+m_Lv##
##m_Rv+m_Lv+m_Cv=\frac{1}{3}m_Cv_R-m_Rv_R+m_Lu##
##v(m_R+m_L+m_C)=\frac{1}{3}m_Cv_R-m_Rv_R+m_Lu##
##v=(\frac{\frac{1}{3}m_Cv_R-m_Rv_R+m_Lu}{m_R+m_L+m_C})##
##v=(\frac{(\frac{9}{2}-\frac{9}{2}+6)(N⋅s)}{10kg})=\frac{3}{5}\frac{m}{s}##
 
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  • #33
Okay, I thought I the best approach would be to start with the equations for step (1) and (2).

##(1)## ##(m_L)(u-v)=(m_C+m_R)(v)##
##(2)## ##(m_R)(v_R+v)=(m_C)(v-\frac{m_R}{m_C}v_R)##

Rearranging (1) gives me:

##v=(\frac{m_L}{m_C+m_R})(u-v)##
##v(1+\frac{m_L}{m_C+m_R})=(\frac{m_L}{m_C+m_R})(u)##
##v=\frac{(\frac{m_L}{m_C+m_R})(u)}{(1+\frac{m_L}{m_C+m_R})}=(\frac{m_Lu}{m_C+m_L+m_R})=\frac{3}{5}\frac{m}{s}##

Rearranging (2) gives me:

##(v_R+v)=\frac{(m_C)(v-(\frac{m_R}{m_C})v_R)}{m_R}##
##v=(\frac{(m_C)(v-(\frac{m_R}{m_C})(v_R))}{m_R})-v_R##
##v(1-\frac{m_C}{m_R})=(\frac{-m_Rv_R}{m_R})-v_R##
##v=\frac{m_R}{m_R-m_C}((\frac{-m_Rv_R}{m_R})-\frac{m_Rv_R}{m_R})##
##v=((\frac{-m_Rv_R}{m_R-m_C})-\frac{m_Rv_R}{m_R-m_C})=-2(\frac{v_R}{m_R-m_C})=-2(\frac{\frac{9}{4}\frac{m}{s}}{-4kg})=\frac{9}{8}\frac{m}{s}##

So now I just have to express this in terms of the time parameter, I think?
 
  • #34
I'm not sure where you are going with your last two posts.
In post #30 you wrote that vR=9/4m/s. I confirmed that, but omitted to check exactly how you are defining vR there. From your post #28, it seems to be the final speed of the rightmost block relative to v, i.e. relative to its speed after the first explosion. Ok?
That would make your 9/4 correct.
So what is the speed of the central block relative to v after the second explosion, and in what direction?
What does that give you for the final speed of the central block in the lab frame?
 
  • #35
Whoa, I just figured out the answer. The velocity of ##m_C## isn't ##v##, it's actually ##v-(\frac{m_R}{m_C})(v_R)##.

##v_{C}=v-(\frac{m_R}{m_C})(v_R)=\frac{3}{5}\frac{m}{s}-(\frac{2kg}{6kg})(\frac{9}{4}\frac{m}{s})=-\frac{3}{20}\frac{m}{s}##
 
  • #36
Eclair_de_XII said:
Whoa, I just figured out the answer. The velocity of ##m_C## isn't ##v##, it's actually ##v-(\frac{m_R}{m_C})(v_R)##.

##v_{C}=v-(\frac{m_R}{m_C})(v_R)=\frac{3}{5}\frac{m}{s}-(\frac{2kg}{6kg})(\frac{9}{4}\frac{m}{s})=-\frac{3}{20}\frac{m}{s}##
Yes!
 
  • #37
##t=2s##
##x_0=vt_1=\frac{12}{25}m##
##x_f=x_0+v_Ct=\frac{12}{25}m+(-\frac{3}{20}\frac{m}{s})(2s)=\frac{48-30}{100}m=\frac{9}{50}m##

Well, thank you very much for helping me through this, haruspex. I literally do not believe I could have figured this out without any sort of help. Thank you for always helping me.
 
  • #38
Eclair_de_XII said:
##t=2s##
##x_0=vt_1=\frac{12}{25}m##
##x_f=x_0+v_Ct=\frac{12}{25}m+(-\frac{3}{20}\frac{m}{s})(2s)=\frac{48-30}{100}m=\frac{9}{50}m##

Well, thank you very much for helping me through this, haruspex. I literally do not believe I could have figured this out without any sort of help. Thank you for always helping me.
You are welcome. But you could do it without help next time, right?
 
  • #39
I think so. I'll see next weekend.
 

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