How do I calculate the velocity of a two-ended rocket?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the velocity of a two-ended rocket system using conservation of momentum principles. Initially, block L is shot to the right, and then block R is shot, both affecting the velocity of block C. The key equations derived involve the relationship between the velocities of the blocks and the conservation of momentum before and after each explosion. The participants explore how to express these relationships mathematically, leading to the conclusion that the velocities of the blocks are interdependent. Ultimately, the problem emphasizes the importance of understanding momentum conservation in a closed system to determine the final velocities and positions of the blocks.
  • #31
Eclair_de_XII said:
Now that you say it, it being 3 m/s starts to make sense. So ##v_R=\frac{9}{4}\frac{m}{s}##?.
Yes.
 
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  • #32
Okay, so I tried expressing ##\vec p_C## as ##\vec p_C=\vec p_R - \vec p_L##, but I'm not getting any results.

##\vec p_C=(m_C)(\frac{1}{3}v_R-v)##
##\vec p_R=(m_R)(v+v_R)##
##\vec p_L=(m_L)(u-v)##
##\vec p_C = \vec p_R - \vec p_L = m_Rv+m_Rv_R-m_Lu+m_Lv##
##\frac{1}{3}m_Cv_R-m_Cv=m_Rv+m_Rv_R-m_Lu+m_Lv##
##m_Rv+m_Lv+m_Cv=\frac{1}{3}m_Cv_R-m_Rv_R+m_Lu##
##v(m_R+m_L+m_C)=\frac{1}{3}m_Cv_R-m_Rv_R+m_Lu##
##v=(\frac{\frac{1}{3}m_Cv_R-m_Rv_R+m_Lu}{m_R+m_L+m_C})##
##v=(\frac{(\frac{9}{2}-\frac{9}{2}+6)(N⋅s)}{10kg})=\frac{3}{5}\frac{m}{s}##
 
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Okay, I thought I the best approach would be to start with the equations for step (1) and (2).

##(1)## ##(m_L)(u-v)=(m_C+m_R)(v)##
##(2)## ##(m_R)(v_R+v)=(m_C)(v-\frac{m_R}{m_C}v_R)##

Rearranging (1) gives me:

##v=(\frac{m_L}{m_C+m_R})(u-v)##
##v(1+\frac{m_L}{m_C+m_R})=(\frac{m_L}{m_C+m_R})(u)##
##v=\frac{(\frac{m_L}{m_C+m_R})(u)}{(1+\frac{m_L}{m_C+m_R})}=(\frac{m_Lu}{m_C+m_L+m_R})=\frac{3}{5}\frac{m}{s}##

Rearranging (2) gives me:

##(v_R+v)=\frac{(m_C)(v-(\frac{m_R}{m_C})v_R)}{m_R}##
##v=(\frac{(m_C)(v-(\frac{m_R}{m_C})(v_R))}{m_R})-v_R##
##v(1-\frac{m_C}{m_R})=(\frac{-m_Rv_R}{m_R})-v_R##
##v=\frac{m_R}{m_R-m_C}((\frac{-m_Rv_R}{m_R})-\frac{m_Rv_R}{m_R})##
##v=((\frac{-m_Rv_R}{m_R-m_C})-\frac{m_Rv_R}{m_R-m_C})=-2(\frac{v_R}{m_R-m_C})=-2(\frac{\frac{9}{4}\frac{m}{s}}{-4kg})=\frac{9}{8}\frac{m}{s}##

So now I just have to express this in terms of the time parameter, I think?
 
  • #34
I'm not sure where you are going with your last two posts.
In post #30 you wrote that vR=9/4m/s. I confirmed that, but omitted to check exactly how you are defining vR there. From your post #28, it seems to be the final speed of the rightmost block relative to v, i.e. relative to its speed after the first explosion. Ok?
That would make your 9/4 correct.
So what is the speed of the central block relative to v after the second explosion, and in what direction?
What does that give you for the final speed of the central block in the lab frame?
 
  • #35
Whoa, I just figured out the answer. The velocity of ##m_C## isn't ##v##, it's actually ##v-(\frac{m_R}{m_C})(v_R)##.

##v_{C}=v-(\frac{m_R}{m_C})(v_R)=\frac{3}{5}\frac{m}{s}-(\frac{2kg}{6kg})(\frac{9}{4}\frac{m}{s})=-\frac{3}{20}\frac{m}{s}##
 
  • #36
Eclair_de_XII said:
Whoa, I just figured out the answer. The velocity of ##m_C## isn't ##v##, it's actually ##v-(\frac{m_R}{m_C})(v_R)##.

##v_{C}=v-(\frac{m_R}{m_C})(v_R)=\frac{3}{5}\frac{m}{s}-(\frac{2kg}{6kg})(\frac{9}{4}\frac{m}{s})=-\frac{3}{20}\frac{m}{s}##
Yes!
 
  • #37
##t=2s##
##x_0=vt_1=\frac{12}{25}m##
##x_f=x_0+v_Ct=\frac{12}{25}m+(-\frac{3}{20}\frac{m}{s})(2s)=\frac{48-30}{100}m=\frac{9}{50}m##

Well, thank you very much for helping me through this, haruspex. I literally do not believe I could have figured this out without any sort of help. Thank you for always helping me.
 
  • #38
Eclair_de_XII said:
##t=2s##
##x_0=vt_1=\frac{12}{25}m##
##x_f=x_0+v_Ct=\frac{12}{25}m+(-\frac{3}{20}\frac{m}{s})(2s)=\frac{48-30}{100}m=\frac{9}{50}m##

Well, thank you very much for helping me through this, haruspex. I literally do not believe I could have figured this out without any sort of help. Thank you for always helping me.
You are welcome. But you could do it without help next time, right?
 
  • #39
I think so. I'll see next weekend.
 

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