How do I combine equations for absolute independent motion with pulleys?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving pulleys and the combination of equations related to their motion. The original poster has derived several equations but is uncertain about how to combine them effectively to reach a solution.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss various methods for combining equations, including suggestions to eliminate certain variables. There is also a questioning of the necessity of finding specific lengths when velocity and force ratios might be more relevant.

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The conversation includes attempts to clarify the relationships between the equations and the variables involved. Some participants have offered guidance on manipulating the equations, while others have raised questions about the relevance of the lengths in the context of the problem.

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There is an indication that the original poster is working under specific constraints related to the problem setup, and assumptions about the relationships between the variables are being examined.

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Homework Statement


I've been given a problem with pulleys which I have attached to this post. I've derived the equations shown in the post but I'll also write them below. What I'm struggling with is how to combine them.

Homework Equations


##l_1=S_a+2S_c##
##l_2=S_d+(S_d-S_c)##
##l_3=S_e+(S_e-S_c)##

In a similar example I've been given but with less pulleys it shows :
##l_1+l_2=S_a+4S_d##
This is the part I don't get. I don't get how the two equations combine to become that and I'm sure if I can understand that I can finish the rest.

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You can add the equations in any way you want. Something that gets rid of S_c and S_d is probably useful.

As an example, you have "+2 S_c" in the first equation and "-S_c" in the second one. You can multiply the second equation (both sides!) with two, then add the two equations.
 
I'm not sure why you are trying to find ##l_1, l_2\ and\ l_3##. There is no absolute value for them. Changing the length of any of them does not affect the velocity ratio nor the forces.
What I think you need to know are the velocity ratios and the force ratios, which you should be able to do by inspection in a simple example like this.
I would suggest the way to deal with the forces is to label one of them F or whatever, then write the others as multiples (or fractions.)
 
Managed to get there myself eventually but thanks for the intended help
 

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