How do I determine orthogonal eigenvectors for a repeated eigenvalue?

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The discussion revolves around determining orthogonal eigenvectors for a repeated eigenvalue associated with a 3-by-3 Hamiltonian matrix. The original poster identifies the eigenvalues as 1 and 4, noting that the eigenvalue 1 is repeated and seeks to find the corresponding eigenvectors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to substitute the repeated eigenvalue into the characteristic equation but finds it leads to a single equation, a + b + c = 0, without clear relations among a, b, and c. Some participants suggest that the eigenvectors form a two-dimensional subspace and question the orthogonality of the vectors derived from the equation.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of the Hermitian nature of the operator, with some asserting that eigenvectors corresponding to distinct eigenvalues are orthogonal, while those corresponding to the same eigenvalue may not be. There is an ongoing examination of how to select eigenvectors to ensure orthogonality.

Contextual Notes

There is a discussion about the nature of the eigenvectors for a Hermitian operator and the conditions under which they can be orthogonal, particularly in the context of repeated eigenvalues. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the multiple solutions arising from the equation derived from the eigenvalue substitution.

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Homework Statement


There is an Hamiltonian operation which is given by
(2 1 1)
(1 2 1) = H ; 3-by-3 matrix
(1 1 2)
And let's have an arbtrary eigenvector
(a)
(b) = v ; (3x1) matrix
(c)

Then, from the characteristic equation, the eigenvalues are 1,4. Here eigenvalue 1 is
repeated one.

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Now, my question arises. I know that the eigenvectors that corresponds to eigenvalue 1 is two and both are orthgonal to each other. However, I can't find any of them because when
I substitute eigenvalue into 1, I get a kind of meaningless(?) equation,

(2 1 1) (a) (a)
(1 2 1) (b) = (b)
(1 1 2) (c) (c) .

And it gives 3-equivalent equation, a+b+c = 0
I couldn't determine any relation between a,b,c.


The Attempt at a Solution



So I quess that do I have to choose a,b,c satisfying the condition a+b+c=0
but still problem doesn't disappear beacuse there would be a lot of soulutions...

What did I wrong?
 
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You didn't take it far enough.

a + b + c = 0 ==>
a = -b - c
b = b
c = ... c

The eigenvectors form a two-dimensional subspace of R3 that is spanned by two vectors. If you look closely at the system above, you can pick out the two vectors. These two vectors are linearly independent but they don't happen to be orthogonal.
 
The operator we handle is Hermitian since Hamlitonian is real physical operator.
it is no doubt that the eigenvectors of the Hermitian is orthogonal.
Actually I cannot understand what you are saying. What do you mean by that?
...??
 
J.Asher said:
The operator we handle is Hermitian since Hamlitonian is real physical operator.
it is no doubt that the eigenvectors of the Hermitian is orthogonal.
Actually I cannot understand what you are saying. What do you mean by that?
...??

If it's hermitian the eigenvectors belonging to distinct eigenvalues are orthogonal. Eigenvectors belonging to the same eigenvalue don't have to be. You have to select them to be orthogonal.
 

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