How do I fix this surd inside a surd?

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The discussion revolves around simplifying a surd expression involving nested square roots. The original poster expresses difficulty with a specific problem related to proving an equality involving surds.

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  • Participants discuss the validity of starting assumptions in the original poster's approach, particularly questioning the use of the value "=54" as a starting point. Suggestions are made to redefine the expression and explore its square to establish the equality.

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Some guidance has been provided regarding how to redefine the variable and approach the proof. There is an acknowledgment of a realization by one participant about the relationship between 54 and another expression, but no consensus has been reached on the overall method.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of surd manipulation and the implications of their assumptions in the problem setup. The original poster has not provided all working details, which may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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The question says to use the answer to a and b
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I know I can rationalize. And a surd multiplied by itself removes the root
It’s the last one that I couldn’t do. I have tried the other two. And that’s ok.
You can see the attemp in the picture. I didn’t write it here.
Please help
 

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In your working you start with the "=54" there.
That's never going to work because that's essentially what you have to prove (since 54 is the square of ##3\sqrt 6##), so you can't use it.

Instead, define ##x = 3\sqrt{2 - \sqrt 3}+ \frac 3{ \sqrt{2 - \sqrt 3}}## and then try to prove that ##x^2=54##.
In the first step you can use (a) to simplify ##x^2##.
In the second step you can use (b) to simplify further.
You will have some cancellation and collecting of like terms to do.
You should be able to end up with 54.
 
andrewkirk said:
In your working you start with the "=54" there.
That's never going to work because that's essentially what you have to prove (since 54 is the square of ##3\sqrt 6##), so you can't use it.

Instead, define ##x = 3\sqrt{2 - \sqrt 3}+ \frac 3{ \sqrt{2 - \sqrt 3}}## and then try to prove that ##x^2=54##.
In the first step you can use (a) to simplify ##x^2##.
In the second step you can use (b) to simplify further.
You will have some cancellation and collecting of like terms to do.
You should be able to end up with 54.
Just figured it out. Forgot that 54 becomes 3root6
 
Thank you all
 

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