How do I integrate the first part of this double integral?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of a surface integral, specifically the expression \(\int\int(\frac{xz}{\sqrt{16-x^{2}}+x})dzdx\). Participants are exploring the appropriate methods for integrating this double integral, including considerations of limits and types of integration techniques.

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  • One participant inquires about the type of integration method to use for the given double integral.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of specifying the limits of integration, noting that they affect the integration process.
  • A participant provides the limits of integration as \(z=0\), \(z=5\), \(x=0\), and \(x=4\), while still seeking clarification on the integration method.
  • There is a correction regarding the initial expression of the integral, with a participant acknowledging an error in their earlier post.
  • A humorous remark is made about the term "product malarchy," which is not defined in the context of the discussion.
  • A suggestion is made to separate the integrals and use substitution for one of the integrals, specifically letting \(u= 16- x^2\) for the first integral.

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Participants express differing views on the integration method and the implications of the limits of integration. There is no consensus on the best approach to take for solving the integral.

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The discussion highlights the dependence on the limits of integration and the potential complexity introduced if those limits are functions of the other variable. The exact nature of the integration method remains unresolved.

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Why hello,

I have come across the surface integral [tex]\int\int(\frac{xz}{\sqrt{16-x^{2}}+x})dzdx[/tex]

My query is, which type of integration do I use to solve the first part of this double integral. The solution is: [tex]\int(4x+8)dz[/tex] = 90
 
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Lorentz_F said:
Why hello,

I have come across the surface integral [tex]\int\int(\frac{xz}{\sqrt{16-x^{2}}+x})dzdx[/tex]

My query is, which type of integration do I use to solve the first part of this double integral. The solution is: [tex]\int(4x+8)dz[/tex] = 90
No one can tell you why the answer is that particular number if you don't tell us what the limits of integration are! And, while it is easy to integrate with respect to z, it the limits of integration on z are functions of x, that would strongly affect how you did the integral with respect to x. Please tell us what the limits of integration are.
 
well the limits are Z=0, z=5, x=0, x=4, but what I'm after is what type of integration to use i.e. by substitution, parts, product malarchy or what? Just from looking at the bit [tex]\left(\frac{xz}{\sqrt{16-x^{2}}}+x\right)[/tex] as I havn't the foggiest.

Thank you.
 
oh and the fist equation is wrong, the bit in the middle is as I've just posted, sorry, and i see your point on the function of x limits now
 
Now I'm wondering what "product malarchy" means! It sounds dangerous.

[tex]\int_{x= 0}^4\int_{x= 0}^5 \left(\frac{xz}{\sqrt{16- x^2}}+ x\right)dzdx[/tex]

The simplest thing to do is to separate the integrals as:
[tex]\left(\int_{x= 0}^4 \frac{x}{\sqrt{16- x^2}} dx\right)\left(\int_{z=0}^5 zdz\right)+ \left(\int_{x=0}^4 x dx\right)\left(\int_{z=0}^5 dz\right)[/tex]

To integrate the first of those, let [itex]u= 16- x^2[/itex]. The others should be easy.
 

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