How do I prove this seemingly simple trigonometric identity

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The discussion revolves around proving a trigonometric identity involving variables defined in terms of sine, tangent, and secant functions. The identity to be proven is presented in a mathematical form, and participants are exploring various approaches to manipulate and simplify the expressions involved.

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  • Participants discuss the expressions for variables a, b, and c, and suggest substituting these into the identity to explore simplifications. Some participants question the rendering of LaTeX and seek clarification on how to properly format their mathematical expressions. Others emphasize the importance of using trigonometric identities to simplify the problem.

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Originally posted in a technical section, so missing the template
Mod note: Fixed the LaTeX.
##a=sinθ+sinϕ##

##b=tanθ+tanϕ##

##c=secθ+secϕ##Show that,

##8bc=a[4b^2 + (b^2-c^2)^2]##

I tried to solve this for hours and have gotten no-where. Here's what I've got so far :

##a= 2\sin(\frac{\theta+\phi}{2})\cos(\frac{\theta-\phi}{2}) ##

## b = \frac{2\sin(\theta+\phi)}{\cos(\theta+\phi)+\cos(\theta-\phi)}##

##c=\frac{2(\cos\theta+\cos\phi)}{\cos(\theta+\phi)+\cos(\theta-\phi)}##

##a^2 = \frac{\sin^2(\theta+\phi)[\cos(\theta+\phi)+1]}{\cos(\theta+\phi)+1}##

##\\cos(\theta-\phi)=\frac{ca}{b}-1##

##sin^2(\frac{\theta+\phi}{2})=\frac{2a^2b}{4(ca+b)}##
 
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There's something wrong with your latex as it doesn't render at all.
 
jedishrfu said:
There's something wrong with your latex as it doesn't render at all.
please fix it
 
You need to edit your post to fix it. I don't have the authority to do that.

You're probably missing the tags for embedding latex in your post.
 
how to embed latex? please show to me.
i am waiting
 
Ganesh Ujwal said:
how to embed latex? please show to me.
\\ doesn't do anything. At the beginning and end of each line, put # # (no space between).
 
alright then please anybody solve my problem, i am stuck.
 
Did you try simply subbing a,b and c expressions into the right hand side to see what you get.

Also you didn't show us what identities you know that would be relevant to this problem.
 
The ratio, a/b and a/c are very useful in this problem. Simplify your trig expressions for those a= , b= , and c= , and then using trig identities for sin(x+y) and cos(x+y), and cos(x-y), the algebra will simplify greatly. Do not immediately substitute those more complex trig expressions into your equation in a, b, and c.
 
  • #10
i tried like this:
\begin{align*}4\cos^2(\theta)\cos^2(\phi)b^2 &= 4\cos^2(\theta)\cos^2(\phi)(\tan(\theta) + \tan(\phi))^2 \\
&= 4(\sin(\theta)\cos(\phi) + \cos(\theta)\sin(\phi))^2 \\
&= 4\sin^2(\theta + \phi) \\
&= 16\sin^2((\theta + \phi)/2)\cos^2((\theta + \phi)/2) \\
&= 16(1 - \cos^2((\theta + \phi)/2))\cos^2((\theta + \phi)/2) \\
&= 16\cos^2((\theta + \phi)/2) - 16\cos^4((\theta + \phi)/2)\end{align*}
\begin{align*}c^2 - b^2 &= \sec^2\theta + \sec^2\phi + 2\sec(\theta)\sec(\phi) - (\tan^2\theta + \tan^2\phi + 2\tan(\theta)\tan(\phi)) \\
&= 2 + 2\sec(\theta)\sec(\phi) - 2\tan(\theta)\tan(\phi)\end{align*}
\begin{align*}\cos(\theta)\cos(\phi)(c^2 - b^2) &= 2(\cos(\theta)\cos(\phi) + 1 - \sin(\theta)\sin(\phi)) \\
&= 2(1 + \cos(\theta + \phi)) \\
&= 4\cos^2((\theta + \phi)/2)\end{align*}
\begin{align*}cos^2(\theta)\cos^2(\phi)(b^2 - c^2)^2 = 16\cos^4((\theta + \phi)/2\end{align*}
\begin{align*}cos^2(\theta)\cos^2(\phi)(4b^2 + (b^2 - c^2)^2) = 16\cos^2((\theta + \phi)/2\end{align*}
\begin{align*}8\cos^2(\theta)\cos^2(\phi)bc/a &= 8\cos^2(\theta)\cos^2(\phi)(\tan(\theta) + \tan(\phi))(\sec(\theta) + \sec(\phi))/(\sin(\theta) + \sin(\phi)) \\
&= 8(\sin(\theta)\cos(\phi) + \cos(\theta)\sin(\phi))(\cos(\theta) + \cos(\phi))/(\sin(\theta) + \sin(\phi)) \\
&= 8\sin(\theta + \phi)(\cos(\theta) + \cos(\phi))/(\sin(\theta) + \sin(\phi)) \\
&= \frac{8(2\sin((\theta + \phi)/2)\cos((\theta + \phi)/2))(2\cos((\theta + \phi)/2)\cos((\theta - \phi)/2))}{2\sin((\theta + \phi)/2)\cos((\theta - \phi)/2)} \\
&= 16\cos^2((\theta+\phi)/2)\end{align*}
now how should i proceed it?
 
  • #11
Ganesh Ujwal said:
alright then please anybody solve my problem, i am stuck.
The rules in this forum (under Homework Guidelines at https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/physics-forums-global-guidelines.414380/) don't permit solving your problem for you.
Giving Full Answers: On helping with questions: Any and all assistance given to homework assignments or textbook style exercises should be given only after the questioner has shown some effort in solving the problem. If no attempt is made then the questioner should be asked to provide one before any assistance is given. Under no circumstances should complete solutions be provided to a questioner, whether or not an attempt has been made.
 
  • #12
Ganesh Ujwal said:
now how should i proceed it?
Aren't you basically done? You have two expressions that equal ##16\cos^2\frac{\theta+\phi}2##. Set them equal to each other and simplify.
 

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