How do I set up double integrals for different orders of integration?

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The discussion revolves around setting up double integrals for a specific region defined by a triangle bounded by the lines y = 4 - x, y = 0, and x = 0. Participants explore how to express the integral in both orders of integration without evaluating it, focusing on the limits of integration for horizontal and vertical strips.

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  • One participant requests help in setting up the double integral for the region but explicitly states not to evaluate it.
  • Another participant provides the double integral expressions for both horizontal and vertical strips, indicating the limits of integration for each case.
  • Several participants express confusion regarding how to determine the appropriate limits of integration when switching between dxdy and dydx, emphasizing the importance of sketching the region.
  • Participants discuss the bounding lines for horizontal and vertical strips, noting how these affect the limits of integration.
  • There is a repeated emphasis on the challenge of deciding how to set up the integrals based on graphical representations of general regions.

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Participants generally agree on the need to sketch the region to determine limits of integration, but there is no consensus on the best approach to decide between dxdy and dydx setups, indicating ongoing confusion and differing perspectives.

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Participants mention the necessity of understanding the graphical representation of the region to apply the correct limits, but specific assumptions or definitions regarding the region's boundaries are not fully resolved.

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Set up an integral for both orders of integration.
DO NOT EVALUATE THE INTEGRAL.

Let S S = double integrals

Let R = region

S S xe^(y) dA

R: triangle bounded by y = 4 - x, y = 0, x = 0

I can graph the region but have no idea how to proceed from there. I need solution steps.
 
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If we use horizontal strips, then we have:

$$I=\int_0^4 e^y\int_0^{4-y} x\,dx\,dy$$

And if we use vertical strips, we have:

$$I=\int_0^4 x\int_0^{4-x}e^y\,dy\,dx$$
 
MarkFL said:
If we use horizontal strips, then we have:

$$I=\int_0^4 e^y\int_0^{4-y} x\,dx\,dy$$

And if we use vertical strips, we have:

$$I=\int_0^4 x\int_0^{4-x}e^y\,dy\,dx$$

How do you know which limits of integration to apply to dxdy as oppossed to dydx? This is my biggest problem.
 
Harpazo said:
How do you know which limits of integration to apply to dxdy as oppossed to dydx? This is my biggest problem.

That's where the sketch of the region $D$ comes in...for example when using horizontal strips, we see they are bounded on the left by the line $x=0$ and on the right by $x=4-y$. We then observe that the strips run from $y=0$ to $y=4$.

If we use vertical strips, then we see they are bounded on the bottom by the line $y=0$ to the line $y=4-x$, and that these strips run from $x=0$ to $x=4$. :D
 
MarkFL said:
That's where the sketch of the region $D$ comes in...for example when using horizontal strips, we see they are bounded on the left by the line $x=0$ and on the right by $x=4-y$. We then observe that the strips run from $y=0$ to $y=4$.

If we use vertical strips, then we see they are bounded on the bottom by the line $y=0$ to the line $y=4-x$, and that these strips run from $x=0$ to $x=4$. :D

I am having a hard time deciding how to set up dxdy or dydx based on graphs of general regions.
 

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