How do I solve these trig expressions?

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The discussion revolves around solving trigonometric expressions and simplifying them using identities. Participants seek assistance with specific problems involving secant, tangent, and cosine functions, exploring various approaches to tackle these expressions.

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  • Participants express confusion about how to start solving specific trigonometric expressions, indicating a need for guidance.
  • One participant suggests changing all terms into sines and cosines and reviewing identities to simplify the expressions.
  • A participant shares their progress on one expression, indicating they derived a result but still feels uncertain about their solution.
  • Another participant advises using the double angle formula for simplifying cos(3x) by expressing it as cos(2x + x).
  • There is a mention of identities such as tan(2y) = sec²y - 1, which may help in simplification.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problems, and there remains uncertainty regarding the simplification of the expressions. Multiple viewpoints and methods are presented without resolution.

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Some participants may have missing assumptions or incomplete understanding of trigonometric identities, which could affect their ability to simplify the expressions correctly.

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I do not understand these problems;
I understand the trig basics (identities, inverses, and a bit more), but
I have'nt got a clue of where to start with these:
(sec 2 u - tan 2 u) / (cos 2 v + sin 2 v)

[ (sec y - tan y)(sec y + tan y)] / [sec y]

and this one: cos x - cos 3 x

Honestly, any help would be appreciated! :shy:
 
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Wholewheat458 said:
I do not understand these problems;
I understand the trig basics (identities, inverses, and a bit more), but
I have'nt got a clue of where to start with these:
(sec 2 u - tan 2 u) / (cos 2 v + sin 2 v)

[ (sec y - tan y)(sec y + tan y)] / [sec y]

and this one: cos x - cos 3 x

Honestly, any help would be appreciated! :shy:

I'm assuming that you want to simplify these expressions?

1) Change everything into terms of sines and cosines.
2) Look over your identities and see if anything cancels out or if you can combine terms.

Can you make an attempt at that, and then see what happens from there?

Here's some help for the second one:
[sec(y)-tan(y)][sec(y)+tan(y)]=sec2y-tan2y. Recall that tan2y=sec2y-1. Where does that lead you now?
 
your clue for the second one helped tons! ^^
I attempted the first one again, but i still think it's wrong
heres what i did:
Numerator turns out to be -sin x/cos2 x
and the denominator is = to 1 (identity)
so.. then i put the fractions in one layer and got: cos 2 x/ 1-sin x
i replaced cos 2 x with 1... oh, :blushing: it =s 1.. ^^ Hehehe!
thank you!
but i still have a question with: cos x - cos 3 x
how do you begin? do you split the cos 3 x??
or is there some identity that i am missing.. confused
 
It's not hard if you write cos(3x) as cos(2x+x) and use the double angle formula.
 
Wholewheat458 said:
your clue for the second one helped tons! ^^
I attempted the first one again, but i still think it's wrong
heres what i did:
Numerator turns out to be -sin x/cos2 x
and the denominator is = to 1 (identity)
so.. then i put the fractions in one layer and got: cos 2 x/ 1-sin x
i replaced cos 2 x with 1... oh, :blushing: it =s 1.. ^^ Hehehe!
thank you!
but i still have a question with: cos x - cos 3 x
how do you begin? do you split the cos 3 x??
or is there some identity that i am missing.. confused

No problem! I'm happy to be able to contribute meaningfully to physicsforums finally. I've still got a lot of math to learn myself! As for the third one, do exactly as snipez has suggested.
 

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