How Do I Solve This Integral with Given Restrictions?

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The discussion revolves around solving the integral ## \int_0^{k} \frac{x^{\alpha}}{1 + \beta x} dx## under certain restrictions. Participants explore various methods, including differentiation with respect to the upper limit and the use of hypergeometric functions, while considering the implications of parameters such as α and β.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the integral and seeks assistance.
  • Another suggests defining a function f(k) and finding its derivative f'(k) as a potential approach.
  • A different participant proposes that the integral can be solved using hypergeometric functions, indicating that such functions may be necessary for a general solution.
  • Some participants discuss expressing the integral as an infinite series based on the derivatives of f(k), noting that f(0) equals zero.
  • There is a mention that the integral can be evaluated easily as k approaches infinity, but this is contingent on the values of α and β.
  • Concerns are raised about the conditions under which the integral converges, particularly regarding the values of α and the requirement that β be positive.
  • One participant states that the integral diverges for positive or zero α as k approaches infinity, while for α less than -1, there are issues integrating near x=0.
  • Another participant provides a specific result for the definite integral under certain restrictions, indicating a formula involving π and sine functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods to solve the integral and the conditions under which it converges. There is no consensus on a single approach or solution, as multiple competing views remain regarding the handling of parameters and the applicability of different mathematical techniques.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the assumptions on the parameters α and β, as well as the conditions for convergence of the integral. The discussion reflects a range of approaches without resolving the complexities involved.

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Hello! I'm having some troubles with that integral:

## \int_0^{k} \frac{x^{\alpha}}{1 + \beta x} dx##

I've tried to think a lot on this but I've no idea how to solve it, so I hope someone could help me. Thank you!
 
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Assuming 'k' is a variable, you could write f(k)= ## \int_0^{k} \frac{x^{\alpha}}{1 + \beta x} dx##. Try finding f'(k) and solve the problem.
 
Adithyan said:
Assuming 'k' is a variable, you could write f(k)= ## \int_0^{k} \frac{x^{\alpha}}{1 + \beta x} dx##. Try finding f'(k) and solve the problem.
f'(k) is, of course, ##\frac{k^{\alpha}}{1+ \beta k}## but I don't see how that helps find f(k).
 
HallsofIvy said:
f'(k) is, of course, ##\frac{k^{\alpha}}{1+ \beta k}## but I don't see how that helps find f(k).
How it helps is that one can express the integral as an infinite series. Obviously, f(0)=0. All one needs to form the infinite series is f'(k), f''(k), and so on.
 
D H said:
How it helps is that one can express the integral as an infinite series. Obviously, f(0)=0. All one needs to form the infinite series is f'(k), f''(k), and so on.

Yeah and this method requires that we know the values of a and b.
 
No, it doesn't.
 
The integral can be easily evaluated if ##k\rightarrow \infty## and has a nice result.
 
Pranav-Arora said:
The integral can be easily evaluated if ##k\rightarrow \infty## and has a nice result.

Well, it's also easy to evaluate the integral if either α→0 or β→0. But the OP asked for a general solution rather than a solution for k, α, or β approaching some limit.

Besides, as k→∞, the integral is only defined when α is between -1 and 0, right? For positive (or zero) α, the integral diverges as k→∞. For α<-1, there is a problem integrating in the region near x=0.
 
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Redbelly98 said:
Besides, as k→∞, the integral is only defined when α is between -1 and 0, right? For positive (or zero) α, the integral diverges as k→∞. For α<-1, there is a problem integrating in the region near x=0.


Of course there are restrictions. Another restriction is that ##\beta >0##. With these, the result of the definite integral is:
$$\frac{-1}{\beta^{\alpha+1}}\frac{\pi}{\sin(\pi \alpha)}$$
 
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