How do irrational numbers give incommensurate potential periods?

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the Aubry-Andre model, specifically addressing how irrational numbers, such as the inverse of the Golden Mean (β = (√5 - 1)/2), lead to incommensurate potential periods in a Hamiltonian system. It is established that when β is irrational, the potential is quasi-periodic and does not align with the underlying lattice, preventing the existence of a common period for two oscillations. Additionally, using Fibonacci numbers for system size helps avoid boundary effects, as it approximates the irrational period effectively in large systems.

PREREQUISITES
  • Aubry-Andre model
  • Incommensurate potential
  • Fibonacci series
  • Hamiltonian mechanics
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the implications of irrational numbers in quantum mechanics
  • Explore the mathematical properties of the Fibonacci series in physical systems
  • Learn about numerical methods for simulating Hamiltonian systems
  • Investigate the effects of boundary conditions in lattice models
USEFUL FOR

Physicists, mathematicians, and researchers in quantum mechanics and condensed matter physics who are interested in the behavior of systems with incommensurate potentials and the application of Fibonacci numbers in modeling.

Luqman Saleem
Messages
17
Reaction score
3
I am trying to understand Aubry-Andre model. It has the following form
$$H=∑_n c^†_nc_{n+1}+H.C.+V∑_n cos(2πβn)c^†_nc_n$$
This reference (at the 3rd page) says that if ##\beta## is irrational (rational) then the period of potential is quasi-periodic incommensurate (periodic commensurate) with underlying lattice period.
Question 1: What does incommensurate potential mean here?
Question 2: How does irrational ##\beta## guarantee that potential is quasi-period incommensurate with underlying lattice?
Furthermore, this reference says that with irrational ##\beta## (they are taking the inverse of Golden Mean i.e. ##(\sqrt{5}−1)/2)## to avoid the unwanted boundary effects, we have to take the system of a size of any number from Fibonacci series.
Question 3: How does the system of a size of any Fibonacci series' number avoid unwanted boundary effects?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Luqman Saleem said:
Question 1: What does incommensurate potential mean here?
Question 2: How does irrational ##\beta## guarantee that potential is quasi-period incommensurate with underlying lattice?
Two periodic phenomena are incommensurate if there is no period with which the combined phenomena can repeat.

To answer question 2, think about how you would calculate the repeating pattern of two oscillations with periods ##a## and ##b##.

Luqman Saleem said:
Question 3: How does the system of a size of any Fibonacci series' number avoid unwanted boundary effects?
I don't know about that. Can you point out more specifically where this is written?
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Luqman Saleem
I imagine the answer to the third question has something to do with the fact that the nth Fibonacci number can be written in closed form as:
$$F_n = \frac{\varphi^n -\frac{1}{\varphi^n}}{\varphi -\frac{1}{\varphi}}$$
where $$\varphi=\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}$$
the golden mean.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Luqman Saleem
About question 2:
If I remember correctly, to find the period of the sum of two periodic functions (with period ##a## and ##b##) we try to find integers ##n## and ##m## such that ##n a = m b = k##. If we can find ##n,m## then ##k## will be the period of the resultant. And in the case under study, the period of lattice point is ##1## and the period of potential is ##1/\beta##. If ##\beta## is irrational then there will be no integers that can satisfy the above equation, which means we will get incommensurate potential. Am I right?

DrClaude said:
I don't know about that. Can you point out more specifically where this is written?

Here is the paragraph from that article:

An important aspect of the Aubry–Andr´e model is the incommensurability of the periodic potential in above Hamiltonian, with respect to the underlying lattice that is guaranteed by the choice of β as an irrational number. Numerical studies, however, will in general have to be carried out on a finite lattice with periodic boundary conditions imposed to avoid undesirable boundary effects. In this case, the periodic potential is no longer truly incommensurate and caution has to be exercised when increasing the system size. The inverse of the golden mean is a convenient choice because the convergents of its continued fraction representation are given by ratios of successive Fibonacci numbers defined by the recursion relation ##F_{n+1} = F_n + F_{n−1}## with ##F_0 = 0## and ##F_1 = 1##. Therefore, if the system size is chosen as a Fibonacci number ##F_i##, the period β in Hamiltonian can be approximated by ##F_{i−1}/F_i##, which yields the inverse of the golden mean in the limit of large system sizes.
 
Luqman Saleem said:
If ##\beta## is irrational then there will be no integers that can satisfy the above equation, which means we will get incommensurate potential. Am I right?
Correct.

Luqman Saleem said:
Therefore, if the system size is chosen as a Fibonacci number ##F_i##, the period β in Hamiltonian can be approximated by ##F_{i−1}/F_i##, which yields the inverse of the golden mean in the limit of large system sizes.
The answer is there. Getting the period to be an irrational number is experimentally hard, so using Fibonacci numbers allows one to be guaranteed to have a good enough approximation over the size of the lattice.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Luqman Saleem
DrClaude said:
Correct.The answer is there. Getting the period to be an irrational number is experimentally hard, so using Fibonacci numbers allows one to be guaranteed to have a good enough approximation over the size of the lattice.
Thank you so much. I get the answer. I have also checked it by plotting the potential on MATLAB. Thanks again
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
8K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
Replies
26
Views
9K