I How Do Magnetic Forces Differ Between Magnets and Wires?

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The discussion centers on the differences in magnetic interactions between magnets and current-carrying wires. It explains that iron filings align with magnetic field lines due to their magnetic moments, experiencing torque that aligns them with the field. The force between magnets acts along the magnetic field lines, while the force between two wires is perpendicular due to the Lorentz force, which depends on the velocity and magnetic field direction. The key distinction lies in the magnetic field gradient; for magnets, the force aligns with the gradient, whereas for wires, the field is azimuthal and the gradient is radial. Understanding these differences clarifies the apparent contradiction in magnetic force directions.
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I understand the iron fillings become little magnets all pointing in the same north south direction similar to the spin aligned electrons in the permanent magnet.
Similarly, a compass near a wire traces out the magnetic field lines ie North/South.

My question is how do I reconcile the fact that the force of a magnet on another magnet is along the field lines whereas for two wires it is perpendicular? The latter is from the fact that the lorentz force is perpendicular to v and B, but why is the force of two magnets alongside the magnetic field instead of perpendicular?

Is the force alongside the B field in one and perpendicular in the other? What error have I made? Magnetic_field_of_bar_magnets_attracting.png
 
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An iron filing has a magnetic moment that experiences a torque that rotates it so that its long axis lines up with the local field lines. The force on it is along the direction of the magnetic field gradient which is not necessarily along the local field lines. In the case of the bar magnets that you show in the photo, the magnetic field and its gradient are roughly in the same direction. In the case of the infinite wire the magnetic field is in the azimuthal direction but its gradient is in the radial direction.
 
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