How Do Mass and Speed Affect Kinetic Energy?

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The problem involves two cars with differing masses and kinetic energies, exploring how their speeds affect their kinetic energy when both increase their speeds by a specific amount. The subject area relates to the principles of kinetic energy in physics.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between mass and kinetic energy, attempting to establish equations based on the given conditions. Some express confusion about the setup, while others propose different algebraic manipulations to derive relationships between the variables.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various attempts to manipulate the equations and clarify the relationships between the variables. Some participants have provided alternative formulations and expressed uncertainty about specific details, indicating a collaborative exploration of the problem.

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There are indications of potential errors in the equations being used, as well as a general sense of fatigue among participants, which may affect clarity. The original problem constraints and the requirement for a quadratic solution are acknowledged but not resolved.

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Homework Statement


One car has one and a half times the mass of a second car, but only half as much kinetic energy. When both cars increase their speed by 8.0 m/s, they then have the same kinetic energy. What were the original speeds of the two cars?



Homework Equations


ke = (1/2)mv^2


The Attempt at a Solution


m1 = 1.5m2
k1 = k2/2
(1/2)(1.5m)(v1+8)^2 = (1/2)(m)(v2+9)^2
 
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starwars89625 said:

Homework Statement


One car has one and a half times the mass of a second car, but only half as much kinetic energy. When both cars increase their speed by 8.0 m/s, they then have the same kinetic energy. What were the original speeds of the two cars?



Homework Equations


ke = (1/2)mv^2


The Attempt at a Solution


m1 = 1.5m2
k1 = k2/2
(1/2)(1.5m)(v1+8)^2 = (1/2)(m)(v2+9)^2

This question makes my brain hurt.

But I would add to your attempt:

ke1 = 1/2*m1*v1^2 = 1/4*m2*v2^2 = k2/2
getting rid of the fractions yields:
2m1*v1^2 = m2*v2^2
adding in m1 = 1.5m2
3m2*v1^2 = m2*v2^2
the m2's cancel leaving
3v1^2 = v2^2
so
v2 = ?

replacing v2 in your 3rd equation should yield one easily solved quadratic equation.
(1/2)(1.5m)(v1+8)^2 = (1/2)(m)(v2+8)^2
 
starwars89625 said:

Homework Statement


One car has one and a half times the mass of a second car, but only half as much kinetic energy. When both cars increase their speed by 8.0 m/s, they then have the same kinetic energy. What were the original speeds of the two cars?



Homework Equations


ke = (1/2)mv^2


The Attempt at a Solution


m1 = 1.5m2
k1 = k2/2
(1/2)(1.5m)(v1+8)^2 = (1/2)(m)(v2+9)^2

I think that is it, except (v2+9) should be (v2+8). Multiply out all the terms and solve via the quadratic equation, see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadratic_equation
 
Before their speeds increase:
KE of car 1 = 1/2(Ke of car 2)
.5*1.5m*v1^2 = .5(.5*m*v2^2)
.75mv1^2 = .25mv2^2
v2^2 = 3v1^2
v2 = 1.73v1

After the increase:
KE1 = KE2
.5*1.5m*(v1 + 8)^2 = .5*m*(v2 + 8)^2
.75m(v1 + 8)^2 = .5m(v2 + 8)^2
.75m(v1 + 8)^2 = .5m(1.73v1 + 8)^2

Hope I did that right, I'm kind of tired. There might be an easier way too, but you should be able to go from there.
 

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