How Do Orthogonal Projectors Influence Dimensions and Norms?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of orthogonal projectors, specifically examining the implications of the norm of the difference between two projectors, P and Q. The participants explore conditions under which the dimensions of the ranges of these projectors are equal, as well as the mathematical properties associated with their norms.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the properties of orthogonal projectors and their implications on dimensions and norms. There is an exploration of the relationship between the ranges and null spaces of the projectors. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of terms like "inters" and the proof of specific inequalities related to the norms.

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Some participants have made progress in understanding part (b) of the problem, while there remains uncertainty regarding part (a). Various interpretations and approaches are being explored, with some participants providing insights into the structure of the problem and others questioning specific terminology and assumptions.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the terminology used in the problem, particularly the term "inters," which some participants initially misinterpret. Additionally, the complexity of the relationships between the ranges and null spaces of the projectors is acknowledged, indicating a need for careful consideration of definitions and properties.

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Let P and Q be two m x m orthogonal projectors.
We show a) ||P-Q||_2 <or eq. 1
b)||P-Q||_2 < 1 implies the ranges of P and Q have equal dimensions.


I think I must use the properties of orthogonal projectors. I guess Range(P) Inters Null(P) = {0} and Range(Q) Inters Null(Q) = {0}.
Also ||P-Q||_2 = Max {|(P-Q)x|: ||x||=1|}. But I am not sure how to proceed from here.

I am seeing somewhere this lemma: ||P-Q||_2 <1 iff Range(P) Inters Null(Q) = {0} and Range(Q) Inters Null(P) = {0}.

Is it true? If yes why?
 
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I don't understand question (a).

I also don't know the word 'inters' in this context. Do you mean 'contains'? If by Null(Q), you mean the set of vectors that it maps to zero, then it is most certainly not trivial for any non-trivial projection operator. In fact, one has [tex]V = Null(Q) \oplus Range(Q)[/tex].

For example, in R3 for the standard basis, one has the projection operator

[tex]P = \begin{bmatrix}1 & 0 & 0 \\0 & 1 & 0\\0 & 0 & 0 \end{bmatrix}[/tex]

Null(P) is generated by (0, 0, 1)T and Range(P) is generated by (1, 0, 0)T and (0, 1, 0)T.
 
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Inters means Intersection here.
 
That's funny. Inters means "to bury" in common usage. That's why I thought it meant contains.
 
I figured out (b)

[tex]v \in Ker(Q)\cap Im(P), |v| = 1 \ \Rightarrow \ (P - Q)v = v[/tex]

One can move from there to

[tex]||P - Q||_{2} < 1 \ \Rightarrow Ker(Q)\cap Im(P) = \left\{0\right\}[/tex]

Some standard projector properties and a little dimension counting close the deal.I still don't understand question (a) though...
 
aPhilosopher said:
I still don't understand question (a) though...

I read it as

(a) Prove that [tex]||P - Q||_2 \leq 1[/tex]

Not sure how to prove it.
 
Heh, I'm new to ascii math. Should have gotten that...
 
To handle the first one, factorize V as

[tex]V = \left[ Im(P) \cap Im(Q) \right] \oplus \left[ Im(P) \cap Ker(Q) \right] \oplus <br /> \left[ Ker(P) \cap Im(Q) \right] \oplus \left[ Ker(P) \cap Ker(Q) \right][/tex]

So we can express a vector v = v1 + v2 + v3 +v4. We also have vivj = 0 if i isn't j by picking a basis.

From here we compare ||(P - Q)v|| to ||v|| to get the more general conclusion that ||(P - Q)v|| <or eq ||v||

I don't seem to be able to find a simpler way
 
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