How Do Pulley Motions Influence Particle Dynamics?

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of two particles connected by an inelastic string over a smooth pulley, specifically focusing on the conditions under which one particle reaches the table after being raised and released. The scope includes theoretical analysis and mathematical reasoning related to motion and forces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving two particles A and B, asking for clarification on the conditions under which B does not reach the table after being raised and released.
  • Another participant suggests using the work-energy theorem to solve the problem, indicating that the kinetic energy of particle M can be equated to its maximum potential energy after B hits the table.
  • A different participant questions whether the problem can be solved using only Newton's laws of motion instead of the work-energy theorem.
  • One participant argues that the work-energy theorem is fundamentally linked to Newton's second law, suggesting that using it is indirectly applying Newton's principles.

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Participants express differing views on the methods of proving the motion dynamics, with some favoring the work-energy theorem and others advocating for a purely Newtonian approach. No consensus is reached on the preferred method of proof.

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Participants do not fully explore the assumptions underlying their arguments or the specific conditions required for the motion described. The discussion remains focused on the application of different theoretical frameworks without resolving the mathematical steps involved.

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This discussion may be useful for students and educators interested in classical mechanics, particularly in understanding the dynamics of pulley systems and the application of different physical laws in problem-solving.

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I was helping my friend with some questions regarding motions of pulleys and i am came up with the following question which i couldn't think of an argument... please check

Two particles A and B of masses M and m respectively are connected by an inelastic string which passes over a smooth pulley. Initially A is at rest on a smooth horizontal table and B hangs at a height h above the table. B is then raised through an extra height H and allowed to fall.
i. Show that if (m2/(M2-m2 ))H<h, B does not reach the table.
ii. If (m2/(M2-m2 ))H≥h show that, during the motion, A rises to a maximum height m{2(M+m)h+mH}/(m+M)

can anyone explain how the motion happens and what is the condition i need start to prove the above questions

thanks...
 
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the second part can also be proved:
after m hits the table ,the string becomes lose
find the velocity of M at that instant using work energy theorem
and then equate this K.E of M to its max potential energy(that corresponds to max height )
 
thanks for the reply aditya..
it did help but i am wondering is there any other way of proving it rather using conservation of energy theorem, can't we prove only using the Newton's laws of motion and with other required theorem
 
i think the work energy theorem itself is a manifestation of Newton's secomd law

we write

F(net)=ma

say the motion is 1 dimensional in the x-axis

F(x)=mvdv/dx
take the dx to the other side and integrate

integral(F(x)dx) =delta kinetic energy


so if u have done by work energy theorem ..u are indirectly doing by Newton's laws
 

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