How Do Rocks Break Apart in a Tumbler Through Collision?

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Johnleprekan
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Mechanics Rock
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the mechanics of how rocks break apart in a tumbler through collisions, exploring the energy exchange during impacts and the role of grit in the tumbling process. Participants examine the physical principles involved, comparing it to other collision scenarios such as billiard balls and automobiles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the mechanics of rock tumbling, drawing parallels to energy exchange in billiard ball collisions and seeking clarification on the breaking process.
  • Another participant notes that the rock tumbler is not an isolated system due to external forces acting on it, suggesting that these forces contribute to the breaking of stones.
  • A participant explains that collisions in a rock tumbler involve forces that can break larger stones and smooth smaller ones, comparing it to the dynamics of automobile collisions.
  • It is mentioned that the grit in the tumbler plays a crucial role in achieving a smooth finish, with coarser grit used initially to remove sharp edges, followed by finer grit for polishing.
  • One participant emphasizes that while some collisions may break pieces off, this is a minor aspect of the tumbling process, which primarily involves smoothing through grit action.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanics of rock tumbling, with no consensus reached on the primary mechanisms at play or the relative importance of forces versus grit in the process.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of collisions, the role of external forces, and the specifics of grit usage in tumbling remain unresolved, highlighting the complexity of the discussion.

Johnleprekan
Messages
55
Reaction score
0
In a rock tumbler, the stones collide with each other and break apart. Eventually they become smooth. I was thinking about exchange of energy like when billiard balls hit. When two billiard balls collide, they exchange their energy. It's a little different if they have different amounts of momentum. This makes me question how a rock tumbler works. Can someone explain what is it about rock tumbling that causes the rocks to break up when they collide?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Yes its true that the energy of an isolated system remains constant. But here , in this case , the rock tumbler is to be shaken by some external force, hence the system is not isolated.
Further, the answer to your question is that the force is the force is the cause of breaking up of stones.
 
Johnleprekan said:
In a rock tumbler, the stones collide with each other and break apart. Eventually they become smooth. I was thinking about exchange of energy like when billiard balls hit. When two billiard balls collide, they exchange their energy. It's a little different if they have different amounts of momentum. This makes me question how a rock tumbler works. Can someone explain what is it about rock tumbling that causes the rocks to break up when they collide?

When two objects collide and exchange energy and momentum, there must be a force involved - thats' how the energy and momentum is transferred.

For example, suppose I drive an automobile into a brick wall. Before the collision, the automobile is moving with some speed v. A very short time later, the automobile is at rest. Therefore, the wall has exerted a force on the automobile to decelerate it during that time, and (if I assume for simplicity that the force is constant) the force and the time are related as: F=P/\Delta T where F is the force, P is the momentum the automobile started with and ΔT is the time it takes for the collision. The force is very large, and sheet metal deforms plastically, so when the wall exerts that force on the automobile it crushes the sheet metal and smashes the car.

When two billiard balls collide, the same thing happens, except that the momentum and hence the forces are much lower, and a billiard ball is tough enough that the forces aren't sufficient to physically damage it.

What happens in your rock tumbler is somewhere in between. The force at the moment of impact is large enough, and the stone is brittle enough, that impacts between large pieces may break them up; but as the pieces become smaller and the momentum and force is reduced, the stones don't break but instead any projecting irregularities are knocked off.
 
It is the grit in the tumbler that causes the wear and smooth finish. A more coarse girt for the beginning tumble to remove projections and sharp corners, and moving down to finer grit for the smoother finish. Some collisions between the stones will cause pieces to break off but that is a minor feature and an inconvienience when going thru the pollishing phase. Rock tumbling is a similar to sanding a piece of wood of sand blasting a metal surface. In all cases a grit is used as the medium to achieve the desired affect. You will note that most of the removed material ends up as dust.
 
Thank you.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
9K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
3K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
4K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K