How Do Rotational Rates Affect Area in Calculus?

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Duhoc
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Calculus
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between rotational rates and the area inscribed by a series of compasses drawing circles. Participants explore the mathematical implications of these rotations, particularly focusing on how the rates of rotation affect the area under the curves created by the compasses. The scope includes theoretical and mathematical reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario involving two compasses where the second compass rotates at twice the rate of the first, questioning if there is an exponential relationship between the rotation rates and the area inscribed.
  • Another participant proposes mathematical equations to describe the positions of the circles based on their rates of rotation, suggesting a method to express the coordinates of the points traced by the compasses.
  • A third participant challenges the interpretation of the second circle, emphasizing that it does not form a perfect circle but rather a curve, and seeks an expression for the area under this curve in relation to the rotation rates.
  • One participant asserts that the equations provided are correct, indicating confidence in their mathematical representation despite the ongoing debate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the curves created by the compasses and the relationship of the area to the rates of rotation. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation or expression for the area under the curve.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of the curves formed by the compasses and the mathematical relationships involved, which remain unresolved. The dependence on specific definitions of rotation rates and the geometric interpretations of the curves is also noted.

Duhoc
Messages
55
Reaction score
0
Let's say that someone is drawing a circle with a compass. As that circle is being drawn a second compass is attached to the first such that the needle leg is attached to the pencil of the first. Only instead of a needle it is a small wheel. As the first compass inscribes its circle the second compass is tracing out the circumference of the first and drawing a circle at twice the rate of rotation of the first. An analogy would be someone at the edge of a merry-go-round that is rotating above a piece of paper. The rider endeavors to trace out a circle on the paper as the merry-go-round rotates at twice the rate of rotation of the merry-go-round. Is there an exponential relation between the relative rates of rotation and the area incribed under the curve created by the second compass? Additionally, if a third compass rode on the path inscribed by the second attempting to sketch a circle at some ratio of the rate of rotation of the first and second could that area be expressed? (Please private message as well as post.)

Thank you,
Duhoc
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Doesn't look all that hard. If you take (0,0) as the center of the circle described by the compasses and [itex]\omega[/itex] as the "rate of rotation", assuming radius R1, then the circle itself is described by the equations [itex](R_1cos(\omega t), R_1 sin(\omega t))[/itex]. A second circle with center at that point, radius R2 and "rate of rotation" [itex]2\omega[/itex] is given, relative to that point, by [itex](R_2cos(2\omega t), R_2 sin(2\omega t))[/itex].

That point, relative to the original coordinate system is just the sum:
[itex](R_1 cos(\omega t)+ R_2cos(2\omega t), R_1 sin(\omega t)+ R_2 sin(2\omega t))[/itex]
 
Are you sure?

Remember that the second circle is not a circle. It is rotating around the circumference of circle 1 as it attempts to inscribe a circle forming a curve. I am seeking an expression for the area under that curve relative to the rotation rates of the circle and the would-be circle. And I would like to know, is that area in some way related to the relative rates of rotation of the two compasses. Again, to clarify, compass two has a wheel that is riding along the track of the circumference of circle one as it is trying to inscribe circle 2 at twice the rate of rotation of circle one. This is exactly analagous to an elbow joint rotating in relation to a shoulder joint.
 
Yes, I understand all that. The equations I gave are correct.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
1K
Replies
10
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
5K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
8K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
6K