How Do Starting Points Affect Series Comparison Tests?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of different starting points in the context of series comparison tests, specifically the Comparison Test and the Limit Comparison Test. Participants explore whether the starting points of the series affect the validity of these tests.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that it does not matter if the two series being compared have different starting points, suggesting that one can remove a finite number of terms to align the series.
  • Others challenge this view by emphasizing that removing a finite number of terms is a consideration that arises precisely because the starting points differ.
  • One participant proposes that changing the index of summation can allow for comparison from a specific point, indicating a potential method to address differing starting points.
  • Another participant reiterates that since the limit is taken as ##n \to \infty##, the starting points should not affect the outcome of the comparison tests.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the relevance of starting points in series comparison tests, with no consensus reached on the matter.

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Some arguments depend on the interpretation of the series and the nature of convergence, which may not be fully resolved in the discussion.

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Comparison Test

Consider the two infinite series ##\sum a_n## and ##\sum b_n## with ##a_n,b_n \geq 0## and ##a_n \leq b_n## for all ##n##.
If ##\sum b_n## is convergent so is ##\sum a_n##.
If ##\sum a_n## is divergent so is ##\sum b_n##.

Limit Comparison Test

Consider the two infinite series ##\sum a_n## and ##\sum b_n## with ##a_n \geq 0## and ##b_n > 0## for all ##n##. Define:
$$c = \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \frac{a_n}{b_n}$$
If ##c## is positive and finite then either both series converge or both series diverge.

Does it matter if the two series we're comparing have different starting points? I don't think it matters because we can always strip out a finite number of terms from one of the series until both series have the same starting point.

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/CalcII/SeriesCompTest.aspx

But according to this link, "in order to apply this test we need both series to start at the same place."
 
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MohammedRady said:
Does it matter if the two series we're comparing have different starting points? I don't think it matters because we can always strip out a finite number of terms from one of the series until both series have the same starting point.

You are removing a finite number of terms because you care about different starting points.
 
Sometimes it possible to change index in order to have series from a determinate point, as example from ##\sum_{i=1}^{\infty}a_{i}## putting ##i-1=k## we have ## \sum_{k=0}^{\infty}a_{k+1}##...
 
MohammedRady said:
Does it matter if the two series we're comparing have different starting points? I don't think it matters because we can always strip out a finite number of terms from one of the series until both series have the same starting point.
The limit is as ##n \to \infty##, so the starting points of the two series don't matter.
 

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