How do the nozzles on spray bottles work when misting?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics and design of misting nozzles specifically used in spray bottles. Participants explore the workings of these nozzles, seeking detailed explanations and resources that would satisfy both engineering and physics perspectives. The conversation touches on various types of nozzle designs and their applications, as well as the principles behind atomization.

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  • Some participants describe the basic operation of spray bottle nozzles, detailing how air pressure and a reciprocating piston pump work together to create a mist.
  • Others express a desire for more in-depth information on the design philosophy of misting nozzles, indicating that existing resources do not meet their needs.
  • A few participants share links to articles and papers on nozzle design, but there is contention over the relevance of these sources to the specific type of nozzle used in spray bottles.
  • One participant questions whether the physics of misting nozzles in spray bottles differs from those used in other applications, while another emphasizes the need for specific mechanics related to spray bottles.
  • There are mentions of various nozzle types, including centrifugal, pneumatic, and impingement nozzles, with participants debating their applicability to the design of spray bottle nozzles.
  • Some participants suggest alternative methods for creating mist, such as using a simple lift pump arrangement, indicating that there are multiple approaches to achieving similar outcomes.
  • Links to diagrams and additional resources are shared, with varying degrees of relevance to the original inquiry.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific mechanics of spray bottle nozzles or the best resources for understanding their design. Multiple competing views on nozzle types and their physics remain evident throughout the discussion.

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Limitations include a lack of consensus on the applicability of shared resources, as well as unresolved questions about the specific mechanics of misting nozzles in spray bottles compared to other types of nozzles.

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This discussion may be of interest to engineers, physicists, and individuals involved in product design or those curious about the mechanics of fluid dynamics and atomization processes in everyday applications.

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I looked up misting nozzle design, but the results I found referred to two types of industrial misting nozzles which don't match up to what a spray bottle looks like at all. I tried looking up design elements of spray bottle nozzles specifically, but all I found were details on how the pump, valves, fittings, and tubing work together, nothing on the misting nozzle part.

Just to be clear, this is the type of bottle and nozzle I mean:
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When you pump the trigger it pressurizes the air in the top of the bottle. The pressure at the top of the bottle forces the water up the tube until it reaches the pump. In the pump there is a cylinder, in the cylinder there is a spring and a piston. As you pump the trigger the piston is pushed into the cylinder compressing the spring so when you release the trigger the spring pushes the piston back up which sucks in more water. If you continue pumping the water will be spayed out through a hole in the nozzle that focuses it. The pump design is called a reciprocating piston pump if you would like to look up more information.

Edit to ad: Forcing the water through a nozzle that disrupts the flow of the liquid turns it into a mist.
 
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Fig Neutron said:
Edit to ad: Forcing the water through a nozzle that disrupts the flow of the liquid turns it into a mist.

I am looking for explanations of the design philosophy and workings of this part of the spray bottle nozzle's function. I want sources that would tell an engineer enough to be able to design these types of nozzles, and/or satisfy a physicist that a thorough understanding of their workings had been attained. Saying that it "disrupts the flow of the liquid turns it into a mist" does not get me any closer to the information I seek.

anorlunda said:
Did you search before posting?

Yes. The fist page you linked is one that I read before posting, in fact. The second is about the impeller design. Since I am asking only about spray bottles, I believe it was already clear that I am not interested in impeller type misting nozzles.
 
The Bill said:
The second is about the impeller design.

Not true. The paper is about nozzle design. The paper doesn't even mention the word impeller. Further, it cites 26 other related references.

Are you working on the impression that a misting nozzle for spray bottles has different physics than nozzles for other applications?
 
I have’nt been able to find any links better than the ones listed above.

I tried searching diagrams and videos. There were not many, but you may be able to find what you want that way.

This may not be as descriptive as you would like, but I thought I would post it anyway in case it might help. There are a few other videos like this one.
 
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anorlunda said:
Not true. The paper is about nozzle design. The paper doesn't even mention the word impeller. Further, it cites 26 other related references.

Are you working on the impression that a misting nozzle for spray bottles has different physics than nozzles for other applications?

My mistake. It does cover several types of nozzle, though only two in any depth. First, "Centrifugal or swirl-type pressure nozzle" which appear to be what I referred to as impeller designs. Second, "Pneumatic type nozzle (twin-fluid type nozzle)" about which it says "this type of nozzles require large amount of energy to atomize water," so I don't think this is the type of nozzle I'm looking for, though I may be mistaken about the energy requirements of small plastic spray bottles.

That article also tangentially mentions impingement nozzles, which I don't think are what I am looking for since the first article said "Impingement nozzles tend to be very expensive" based on design considerations. Then it mentions atomization by the flashing of superheated water, which I don't think is what is going on in a plastic spray bottle. Then it says "Other methods of atomization like by mechanical vibration, by supersonic or subsonic vibration and by high-voltage electricity[...]" Those do not seem to be what I am looking for, either.

As far as your question as to whether I am "working on the impression that a misting nozzle for spray bottles has different physics than nozzles for other applications?" Of course not. However, I would I would like an explanation of the specific mechanics of what is happening in the specific type of nozzle I am asking about. Would an engineer use a survey article about the design of 21st century military aircraft as a primary reference when working on a project to reconstruct and analyze World War One biplanes? I feel like that example displays a similar level of distance between the reference and application as here.
 
Are you interested in the physics of how a stream of liquid breaks into droplets, and how the process is a function of surface tension, density, and viscosity? If so, try searching atomization of liquids.
 
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When you pump the trigger it pressurizes the air in the top of the bottle.
That function isn't necessary because you can make a simple mist pump work by just dipping the feed tube under an open liquid surface. The feed is achieved with a simple lift pump arrangement (with a ball type non return valve at the top of the delivery tube), followed by a force pump to inject liquid at high pressure through the misting nozzle.
 
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