How Do Transformations Affect the Supremum of a Set?

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The problem involves the analysis of transformations on a non-empty subset of real numbers that is bounded above. Specifically, it defines two new sets based on transformations of the original set and asks to prove relationships between their suprema.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the properties of the supremum and the implications of upper bounds on the sets B and A. There is an exploration of how the supremum of set A relates to the supremum of set B through the transformation defined.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided reasoning regarding the upper bounds of the sets and how they relate to the supremum of A. There is ongoing clarification about the equality of the suprema and the implications of arbitrary upper bounds.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of the definitions of supremum and upper bounds, and there is an emphasis on understanding the relationships without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement

8. Let ##A## be a non-empty subset of ##R## which is bounded above. Define
##B = \{x ∈ R : x − 1 ∈ A\}##, ##C = \{x ∈ R : (x + 1)/2 ∈ A\}.##
Prove that sup B = 1 + sup A, sup C = 2 sup A − 1.
The attempt at a solution

Note that ##sup A## exists. Let ##x ∈ B##; then ##x − 1 ∈ A##, and ##x − 1 ≤ sup A##. We have that ##x ≤ sup A + 1##, from which we deduce that ##B## is bounded above and ##sup B ≤ sup A + 1##. Now suppose that ##m## is an upper bound for ##B##. For ##x ∈ A##, ##x + 1 ∈ B## and ##x + 1 ≤ m##. It follows that ##x ≤ m − 1##, from which we deduce that ##m − 1## is an upper bound for ##A## and ##sup A ≤ m − 1##. Now ##sup A + 1 ≤ m##. Combining the above, ##sup B = sup A + 1##.

I understand this solution up until we reach ##sup B = sup A + 1##. I understand that they both must be less than or equal to ##m##, as ##m## is an upper bound for ##B## and an upper bound for ##A + 1##. However I don't understand how we know that they are exactly equal to each other. Could anyone help me out please?
 
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##m## is arbitrary, it can be any upper bound, even the least upper bound.
 
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Calu said:
8. Let ##A## be a non-empty subset of ##R## which is bounded above. Define
##B = {x ∈ R : x − 1 ∈ A}##, ##C = {x ∈ R : (x + 1)/2 ∈ A}.##
Prove that sup B = 1 + sup A, sup C = 2 sup A − 1.
LaTeX tip: \{x\in\mathbb R:x-1\in A\}
 
Fredrik said:
LaTeX tip: \{x\in\mathbb R:x-1\in A\}

I fixed the LaTeX in the OP
 
First, since A is bounded above, so is B and so B has a supremum. Let [itex]\alpha[/itex] be the supremum of A.

1) Suppose [itex]x> \alpha+ 1[/itex]. Then [itex]x- 1>\alpha[/itex]. Since [itex]\alpha[/itex] is an upper bound on A x- 1 is not in A. Therefore, x= (x- 1)+ 1 is not in B. That is [itex]\alpha+ 1[/itex] is an upper bound on B.

2) Suppose there exist y, an upper bound on B, with [itex]y< \alpha+ 1[/itex]. Then if [itex]y< x< \alpha+ 1[/itex] x is not in B. But then [itex]x- 1< \alpha[/itex] is not in A which contradicts the fact that [itex]\alpha[/itex] is the least upper bound on A.
 

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