How Do You Build a Stable Homemade Mini-Blimp?

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The discussion revolves around the construction of a homemade miniature blimp, addressing various aspects such as lift, materials (helium vs. hydrogen), stability, and calculations related to drag and volume. Participants explore theoretical and practical considerations for building and flying the blimp.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in building a miniature blimp but is uncertain about specifications for lift and the choice between helium and hydrogen.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of using hydrogen, with one participant strongly advising against it due to the risk of creating an unstable and dangerous mixture.
  • Another participant suggests using helium as a safer alternative, noting its availability and similar lifting properties compared to hydrogen.
  • Historical context is provided regarding the use of hydrogen in older blimps and the implications of the Hindenburg disaster on modern practices.
  • A participant discusses the drag force on airships and mentions the need to calculate the reference area based on the volume of an ellipsoid shape for the blimp.
  • Clarification is sought regarding the formulas for the volume of an ellipsoid, specifically the definitions of equatorial and polar diameters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the safety concerns regarding hydrogen and the preference for helium. However, there remains uncertainty about the calculations related to the volume of an ellipsoid and the application of drag equations, indicating that the discussion is not fully resolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the mathematical aspects of drag and volume calculations, with some assumptions about definitions and formulas remaining unaddressed.

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I've been having thoughts of building a home-made miniature blimp roughly the size of a coffee table or a small room.

I haven't quite thought out the specifications of lift, or weather to use helium or hydrogen (or weather hydrogen is safe/legal for this kinda thing.) or the dimensions of the balloon (or anything else for that matter)


But when i proposed this idea to a friend, he pointed out that stabilizing something that small with such large surface area/mass ratio would be difficult (especially in the windy conditions at the altitudes i plan to fly this thing.)

So, I've come here to ask if anyone knows any way to theoretically calculate the effects of forces on airbourne bodies of arbitrary shape but given mass. (The mass will NOT be centered at the center of the blimp obviously, (it will be suspended directly below it).
 
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Don't even think about using hydrogen! :eek:
I'm afraid that I can't help with the rest of your question.
 
The upper bound of the drag force will be roughly given by Drag Equation with drag coefficient ~1. Realistically, it will probably be a bit lower, but this is a good place to start your estimates.

Using hydrogen is not safe. If you have any amount of air in there, and with home made blimp you are almost guaranteed, you end up with an extremely unstable mixture. The size you are talking about would create a very serious fireball. Hydrogen also happens to burn very hot, so you definitely don't want to be anywhere near it when it goes off.

Helium is not that hard to come by, in quantities you need, and generates almost the same lift. Use that. It's far safer. Bear in mind that a suffocation risk is still there if you test it indoors.
 
I see...

I dunno, i hear some of the older war-era blimps were hydrogen based, but i guess that's why the hindenburg accident happened.

Thanks for the tip on hydrogen and the lift.
 
That's a big part of why it happened, and Hindenburg is a big part of why they stopped using hydrogen. Modern blimps are all helium-filled.
 
This probably belongs in the math section but,

With that drag formula, it's said that for airships they use the a function of the volume of the thing in order to find the reference area.

Now the shape of the part i want to calculate the reference area for is an ellipsoid. So i need to find the volume of an ellipsoid. This is given on wikipedia though is kind of strange.

They say the volume of any spheroid is 4/3 pi *(a^2) * (b),

However they go on to say that
IF A=2a is the equatorial diameter, and B=2b is the polar diameter the volume is 1/6 pi *(A^2) *(B)

Is the equatorial diameter A or a? Same for the polar diameter.
 
A and B respectively. Easy to check. For a sphere, volume is 4/3 pi R^3. Take a=b=R, and you get formula for sphere. So a is a semi-axis, and you get diameter by taking 2*a.
 

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