How Do You Calculate Areas Enclosed by Curves and Lines?

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The discussion revolves around calculating areas enclosed by curves and straight lines, specifically involving the functions y = (1/x^2) - 1, y = -1, and y = x^3 - 1, along with the axes and the line y = 26. Participants are exploring the integration of these functions over specified intervals to find the areas they enclose.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to sketch the curves and identify the areas they enclose, questioning the validity of their assumptions about the functions' behavior at certain points, particularly where one function is undefined.
  • There are discussions about the correct setup for integrals, including the need to account for the lower curve in the area calculations.
  • Some participants are confused about the boundaries of integration and whether to add or subtract areas based on their sketches.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and guidance to each other regarding the setup of integrals and the interpretation of their sketches. There is a recognition of the need to clarify boundaries and which function represents the upper or lower curve in the area calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of undefined points in the functions and how that affects the area calculations. There is also a focus on ensuring that the correct intervals are used for integration, particularly when the curves intersect or do not intersect.

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Homework Statement


Find the areas enclosed by the following curves and straight lines:
c) y= (1/x2) -1 , y= -1 , x=1/2, and x=2

b) y = x3-1, the axes and y = 26






2. The attempt at a solution
Okay I sketched the curve and to me it looks like the curve occupies no area at y=-1 it's undefined there.

so isn't the area occupied from x = 1/2 to x =2

so ∫1/x2) -1 . dx
y= [(1/x) - x ] + c

( (1/2) - 2) - ( 2 - (1/2)) = -3
but the answer in my book says 3/2

and for the 2nd question
The points at which these curves intersect are (3,26)
∫x3 -1 . dx
y = (x4/4) - x = 17 1/4 ( x = 0 to 3)

∫26.dx = 26x = 78 sq units( from x 0 to 3)

78- 17/4 = 60 3/4 but in the back of my book it says 60 exactly, and I don't see what I did wrong..

Help is greatly appreciated~!
 
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lionely said:

Homework Statement


Find the areas enclosed by the following curves and straight lines:
c) y= (1/x2) -1 , y= -1 , x=1/2, and x=2

b) y = x3-1, the axes and y = 26






2. The attempt at a solution
Okay I sketched the curve and to me it looks like the curve occupies no area at y=-1 it's undefined there.

so isn't the area occupied from x = 1/2 to x =2

so ∫1/x2) -1 . dx
y= [(1/x) - x ] + c

( (1/2) - 2) - ( 2 - (1/2)) = -3
but the answer in my book says 3/2

and for the 2nd question
The points at which these curves intersect are (3,26)
∫x3 -1 . dx
y = (x4/4) - x = 17 1/4 ( x = 0 to 3)

∫26.dx = 26x = 78 sq units( from x 0 to 3)

78- 17/4 = 60 3/4 but in the back of my book it says 60 exactly, and I don't see what I did wrong..

Help is greatly appreciated~!

The area between two curves f(x)>g(x) is the integral of f(x)-g(x). In the first case, f(x) is 1/x^2-1 and g(x) is (-1).
 
So you mean just to (1/x)-x -x? and that's the area?
But what do I put in for the values of x.. 1/2 and 2?
 
lionely said:
So you mean just to (1/x)-x -1? and that's the area?
But what do I put in for the values of x.. 1/2 and 2?

The function to integrate is ((1/x^2)-1)-(-1). Yes, put the x limits to 1/2 and 2. Your previous attempt simply ignored the y=(-1) for reasons that are somewhat obscure to me. It's true that the two curves don't cross. But you can't ignore the lower curve.
 
I thought that it had no area at y=-1 because when y=-1 the function is undefined .

So do the same thing for the question before?

>.> sorry it's not undefined I don't know what I was thinking about....
 
lionely said:
I thought that it had no area at y=-1 because when y=-1 the function is undefined .

So do the same thing for the question before?

>.> sorry it's not undefined I don't know what I was thinking about....

There is no point where 1/x^2-1 equals (-1). Correct. That just means the two curves don't intersect each other. Doesn't mean you can ignore one.
 
When I use 1/x I keep getting -3/2
 
lionely said:
When I use 1/x I keep getting -3/2

Show how you got that. Hint: the integral of 1/x^2 is not 1/x.
 
=.= my god ... didn't see it's -1/x forgot to divide by -1
 
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but for the 2nd question I can't get the exact 60 I get 60 3/4
Isn't the integral [ (x^4/4) -27x] ?
 
  • #11
lionely said:
but for the 2nd question I can't get the exact 60 I get 60 3/4
Isn't the integral [ (x^4/4) -27x] ?

You really need to draw a sketch of the region you are integrating over. You are working blind here. You don't integrate over that function for the whole interval [0,3]. At some point x^3-1 will cross the x-axis. That's supposed to be one of your boundaries. You need to split the integral up.
 
  • #12
Okay so I integrate the region x=0 to x=1 and then x= 1 to x=3

then subtract them?
 
  • #13
lionely said:
Okay so I integrate the region x=0 to x=1 and then x= 1 to x=3

then subtract them?

I would say add them. And what you are integrating in each region is different. What two different forms are they? Why do you say subtract them?
 
  • #14
Oh because I was thinking about what you said area between curves is
f(x) - g(x) but now when I look at my sketch that wouldn't make sense.
 
  • #15
lionely said:
Oh because I was thinking about what you said area between curves is
f(x) - g(x) but now when I look at my sketch that wouldn't make sense.

The graph will tell you what to do.
 
  • #16
I just don't understand! The integral is ((x^4/4) -27x) right? when I integrate from x=0 to x=1 I get -26 3/4

and when I do it for x=1 to x=3 I get -34.. I can't get the +60 !
 
  • #17
lionely said:
I just don't understand! The integral is ((x^4/4) -27x) right? when I integrate from x=0 to x=1 I get -26 3/4

and when I do it for x=1 to x=3 I get -34.. I can't get the +60 !

What are the boundaries between x=0 and x=1? Hint: Neither of them is x^3-1. Look at your graph! The upper boundary is 26 and the lower boundary is the x-axis!
 
  • #18
I think I got it now... the integral for x=0 and x=1 is 26x so it's 26..

then for the other side of the graph it's (x^4/4 -x) for x=3 and x=1 and that's 18
then I find the one for 26x for x = 3 and x= 1 and I get 52

Then I subtract the areas and get 34 then I add it to the area bounded by the 26
and I got 60.
 
  • #19
lionely said:
I think I got it now... the integral for x=0 and x=1 is 26x so it's 26..

then for the other side of the graph it's (x^4/4 -x) for x=3 and x=1 and that's 18
then I find the one for 26x for x = 3 and x= 1 and I get 52

Then I subtract the areas and get 34 then I add it to the area bounded by the 26
and I got 60.

Yes, x=0 to x=1. It's 26. From x=1 to x=3 it's the integral of 26-(x^3-1) which gives 34. Then you just add them. But your way works too.
 
  • #20
Umm 1 question I know this might be common sense.. but
on these graphs, the one that looks like it covers more area is the one that I will subtract whatever the function? Like y=26 looks like it covers more than x^3-1.. but maybe it looks that way cause of my sketch sometimes I can't trust my sketch that much cause my work is very untidy.
 
  • #21
lionely said:
Umm 1 question I know this might be common sense.. but
on these graphs, the one that looks like it covers more area is the one that I will subtract whatever the function? Like y=26 looks like it covers more than x^3-1.. but maybe it looks that way cause of my sketch sometimes I can't trust my sketch that much cause my work is very untidy.

The area between x=0 and x=1 is 26, no doubt, yes? Between x=1 and x=3 the value of 26 is above and x^3-1 is on the bottom. So it's the integral of 26-(x^3-1) which is 34. You just add areas. The graph is supposed to tell you which function is on top and which is on the bottom.
 

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