How Do You Calculate Heat Transfer with Limited Information?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating heat transfer in various scenarios using the formula q = mcT. Participants explore how to approach problems involving temperature changes and heat exchange between different substances, specifically focusing on the need for initial and final temperature values.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about calculating the mass of iron needed to increase its temperature by 6 degrees with a given amount of heat, questioning the necessity of knowing initial or final temperatures.
  • Another participant clarifies that the temperature change (T) in the formula refers to the increase in temperature, not the initial or final temperatures.
  • Participants discuss how to set up equations for heat transfer when mixing substances, specifically gold and water, emphasizing the need to account for heat extracted and absorbed by each substance.
  • There is a proposal to combine equations for heat transfer from gold to water, with a focus on the signs of q for each substance, indicating that the heat lost by gold should equal the heat gained by water.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to setting up equations for heat transfer, but there is uncertainty regarding the necessity of knowing specific temperature values and how to handle the signs of q in the equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of how to proceed with calculations without knowing certain temperature values, leading to unresolved questions about the application of the heat transfer formula in these scenarios.

Raerin
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I know the formula q = mcT and that's the only formula I was taught before assigned these questions (in bold).

1. What mass of iron would be needed to have it increase by 6 degrees with 300J of heat.
I am not sure what is meant by the increase of 6 degrees. How do you solve it without knowing the final or initial temperatures?

2. If 10g of gold at 200 degrees Celsius is dropped into 100 grams of water at 20 degrees Celsius, what is the final temperature of the gold and the water?
How are you supposed to solve this without knowing the value of q?

3. If 100g of water at 25 degrees Celsius is mixed with 50g if water at 4 degrees Celsius, what is the final temperature?
I am confused about the same thing as in the second question.
 
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Hi Raerin! :)

Raerin said:
I know the formula q = mcT and that's the only formula I was taught before assigned these questions (in bold).

1. What mass of iron would be needed to have it increase by 6 degrees with 300J of heat.
I am not sure what is meant by the increase of 6 degrees. How do you solve it without knowing the final or initial temperatures?

The T in your formula is the increase in temperature. It is not the initial nor the final termperature.
In other words, you do not need those temperatures.
2. If 10g of gold at 200 degrees Celsius is dropped into 100 grams of water at 20 degrees Celsius, what is the final temperature of the gold and the water?
How are you supposed to solve this without knowing the value of q?

You're supposed to set up 2 equations.
One for the heat q that is extracted from the gold, with the specific heat capacity c that belongs to gold
And one for the same heat q that is absorbed by the water, with the specific heat capacity c that belongs to water.
3. If 100g of water at 25 degrees Celsius is mixed with 50g if water at 4 degrees Celsius, what is the final temperature?
I am confused about the same thing as in the second question.

Works the same, except that both substances are water now.
 
I like Serena said:
Hi Raerin! :)
You're supposed to set up 2 equations.
One for the heat q that is extracted from the gold, with the specific heat capacity c that belongs to gold
And one for the same heat q that is absorbed by the water, with the specific heat capacity c that belongs to water.

That I understand but how am I supposed to find the final temperature without knowing q?

So for the gold:
q = 10g x 0.129 x (Tfinal - 200) degrees celsius

For water:
q = 100g x 4.184 x (Tfinal -20) degrees celsius

Am I supposed to supposed combine the equation as:
10g x 0.129 x (Tfinal - 200) = 100g x 4.184 x (Tfinal -20)?
 
Raerin said:
That I understand but how am I supposed to find the final temperature without knowing q?

So for the gold:
q = 10g x 0.129 x (Tfinal - 200) degrees celsius

For water:
q = 100g x 4.184 x (Tfinal -20) degrees celsius

Am I supposed to supposed combine the equation as:
10g x 0.129 x (Tfinal - 200) = 100g x 4.184 x (Tfinal -20)?

Almost!

The q for gold is negative, while the q for water is positive.
Their magnitude should be the same.
So:
10g x 0.129 x (200 - Tfinal) = 100g x 4.184 x (Tfinal - 20)
 

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