How Do You Calculate Initial Velocity in Archery Physics Problems?

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The problem involves calculating the initial velocity of an arrow shot upwards to intercept a sandbag dropped from a height of 12.0 meters. The scenario is set in the context of archery physics, specifically focusing on the motion of objects under the influence of gravity.

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  • Participants explore different kinematic equations to determine the distance the arrow strikes the sandbag and its initial velocity. There are discussions about the correct application of formulas and the implications of initial velocities for both the arrow and the sandbag.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided calculations and sought confirmation on their results. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions regarding initial velocities, particularly for the sandbag, and the appropriateness of the equations used. Some participants have suggested alternative approaches and questioned the accuracy of previous calculations.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the initial velocity of the sandbag, with some participants asserting it to be zero, while others suggest it may not be. The discussion reflects a mix of correct and incorrect assumptions about the physics involved.

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Homework Statement



For archery practice, a knight's squire drops sandbags from a 12.0 meter tower. At exactly the same time the sandbag is dropped, the knight shoots an arrow up at the sandbag from the base of the tower. If the arrow strikes the sandbag at exactly 1.1 seconds, calculate a) how far from the ground the arrow strikes the sandbag, and b) the arrow's initial velocity

Homework Equations



d = ½(vi + vf)t
vi = (d/t) – ((a x t)/2)

The Attempt at a Solution



a) d = ½(-9.8)1.1
d = -5.39

12 - 5.39 = 6.61
The arrow strikes the sandbag at 6.6 m from the ground

b) vi = (6.61/1.1) – (((-9.8) x 1.1)/2)
vi = 6 – (-5.39)
vi = 0.41 m/s

Does this look right?
 
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killaI9BI said:

Homework Statement



For archery practice, a knight's squire drops sandbags from a 12.0 meter tower. At exactly the same time the sandbag is dropped, the knight shoots an arrow up at the sandbag from the base of the tower. If the arrow strikes the sandbag at exactly 1.1 seconds, calculate a) how far from the ground the arrow strikes the sandbag, and b) the arrow's initial velocity

Homework Equations



d = ½(vi + vf)t
vi = (d/t) – ((a x t)/2)

The Attempt at a Solution



a) d = ½(-9.8)1.1
d = -5.39

12 - 5.39 = 6.61
The arrow strikes the sandbag at 6.6 m from the ground

b) vi = (6.61/1.1) – (((-9.8) x 1.1)/2)
vi = 6 – (-5.39)
vi = 0.41 m/s

Does this look right?

You might want to check this calculation:

a) d = ½(-9.8)1.1
d = -5.39

Remember, the sandbags are free-falling after being dropped, so their velocity is accelerating as they fall.

Don't forget to indicate the correct units for your answers.
 
d = vi X t + 1/2a X t2

that would be a better formula because (-9.8) is the rate of acceleration, not velocity. Thank you for that!

d = 1.1 + 1/2(-9.8) X 1.12
d = (-4.829)
d = (-4.8) m

12 – 4.829 = 7.171m

a)7.2 m

b)vi = (d/t) – ((a x t)/2)
vi = (7.17/1.1) – (((-9.8) x 1.1)/2)
vi = 11.9 m/s

Does that look right now?
 
killaI9BI said:
d = vi X t + 1/2a X t2

that would be a better formula because (-9.8) is the rate of acceleration, not velocity. Thank you for that!

d = 1.1 + 1/2(-9.8) X 1.12
d = (-4.829)
d = (-4.8) m

12 – 4.829 = 7.171m

a)7.2 m

b)vi = (d/t) – ((a x t)/2)
vi = (7.17/1.1) – (((-9.8) x 1.1)/2)
vi = 11.9 m/s

Does that look right now?

You're veering out of control now. You fixed one problem and have introduced another into your calculations:

d = vi X t + 1/2a X t2

This is the correct formula. So far, so good.

d = 1.1 + 1/2(-9.8) X 1.12
d = (-4.829)
d = (-4.8) m

12 – 4.829 = 7.171m

What is vi for the sandbags when they are dropped from the tower?
 
I thought that vi would be zero for the sandbags.

should it be (-9.8) m/s?
 
killaI9BI said:
I thought that vi would be zero for the sandbags.

It would be zero.

killaI9BI said:
d = vi X t + 1/2a X t2
...
d = 1.1 + 1/2(-9.8) X 1.12

This seems to imply that the initial velocity is 1 m/s (zero times 1.1 is zero, not 1.1)
 
face palm!

d = vi X t + 1/2a X t2
d = ½(-9.8) X 1.12
d = (-5.929) m

12 – 5.929 = 6.071 m

a) 6.1 m
b) vi = (d/t) – ((a x t)/2)
vi = (6.071/1.1) – (((-9.8) x 1.1)/2)
vi = 5.519 – (-5.39)
vi = 10.9 m/s

Thank you very much!
 
just to be certain, can you confirm that what I've done looks right?

thanks again!
 
killaI9BI said:
just to be certain, can you confirm that what I've done looks right?

thanks again!

Yes you're correct, and you're welcome.
 
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