How Do You Calculate Maximum Velocity and Height for a Rocket Launch?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum velocity and height of a rocket launched from the origin with a specified acceleration and angle. The problem involves kinematics, specifically analyzing motion under constant acceleration and subsequent free fall after fuel exhaustion.

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  • Participants explore different methods to calculate the maximum velocity and height, questioning the validity of their calculations and the equations used. Some participants suggest breaking the problem into parts, while others express confusion about the application of kinematic equations and the effects of gravity.

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There is ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants offering various insights and calculations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need to consider the rocket's motion in two phases: powered ascent and free fall. However, there is no clear consensus on the correct approach or final answers yet.

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Participants express frustration with the multiple-choice format and the potential for rounding errors in the provided answer selections. There is also confusion regarding the correct application of kinematic equations, particularly in determining time and velocity at different phases of the rocket's flight.

Jimmy Rose
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Ok I've been trying to do a problem and I can't seem to get it.
A rocket is launched from the origin with an acceleration of 20m/s^2 at an angle of 30.0 degrees above the horizontal. The launch acceleration lasts for 2.00 seconds at which time the fuel is exhausted. The rocket then falls with an acceleration of 9.80m/s^2 downward.
-Ignoring air resistance.

What is the maximum velocity in the upward direction?
I used: final velocity = initial velocity + acceleration * time
Which putting in the values I got: Vf = 0 + (20(sin30))(2) = 20m/s
I also have another way
Vf = 20(sin30) + (9.8)(2) = 29.6m/s
I don't know which one is right if either
Here are the answers selections: (a) 20.0 (b) 25.0 (c) 30.0 (d) 35.0 (e) 40.0
He might or might have not rounded them.

The next question I can't even begin
What is the maximum height?
I use the equation y = Vi + 1/2at^2 and I don't get the correct answer
Here are the answers selections: (a) 22.3 (b) 27.5 (c) 30.5 (d) 36.7 (e) 40.4

I’m so frustrated I want to bit my head off especially since its multiple choices.
Please in need of Help.
 
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I believe that at least one of your two answers for part one is right.

For part two, first calculate the height reached from the start of its motion until the time its fuel is used up (ie. the time it attains the velocity you calculated in part one). Let this height be H1.

The rocket does not start falling the moment its fuel is used up. From that moment, it will have a constant downward acceleration of 9.8 m/s2, but it continues to go up because it has an upward velocity at that point. It will slow down, because of the downward acceleration, and after some additional time will its vertical velocity be 0 m/s. Only then will it start to move downward.

So first you need to find the additional time it takes for its vertical velocity to reach 0 m/s, then plug that time into the formula y = Vi + 1/2at^2. Let this be height be H2.

Finally, add H1 and H2.
 
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Jimmy
The equation you used is correct. But the values you subsituted are incorrect. We can use the equation v= u+ at where v-final velocity,u-initial velocity,a-acceleration. Here final velocity is zero because after reaching the maximum height the velocity becomes zero and then started to fall downwards.
So 0= u + 20*2
i.e., u = 40m/s
the maximum height h=u*u*sin30*sin30/2*g
i.e., h=40*40*sin30*sin30/2*9.8 = 20.4m
 
Okay I got 20 meters from H1 using y = 1/2 (Vf + Vi)t
y = 1/2 (20m/s + 0) 2 = 20m/s
But how would you suggest in getting the second Height.
Would this be right: Vi = 20m/s, Vf = 0, a = 9.8, y=?.
First need time before I could use y = Vit + 1/2 at^2
Vf = Vi +at
0 = 20 + 9.8t
This is where I'm stuck because how do get time from here.
It would have to be around -1.03. That doesn't really make sense to me.
 
Sreeja Mobin:
Thanks but how did you get 40m/s.
And for the second equation are all the selected answers incorrect because if that's true I really didn't stand a chance lol.
 
Jimmy Rose said:
But how would you suggest in getting the second Height.
Would this be right: Vi = 20m/s, Vf = 0, a = 9.8, y=?.
First need time before I could use y = Vit + 1/2 at^2
Vf = Vi +at
0 = 20 + 9.8t
This is where I'm stuck because how do get time from here.

In part 1, you used "final velocity = initial velocity + acceleration * time" to compute the final velocity given an initial velocity, an acceleration and a time. So you can use that same formula to compute a time given a new initial velocity (ie. the final velocity you computed in part one), the downward acceleration 9.8 m/s2, and the final velocity 0 at the top of its trajectory.
 
atyy said:
In part 1, you used "final velocity = initial velocity + acceleration * time" to compute the final velocity given an initial velocity, an acceleration and a time. So you can use that same formula to compute a time given a new initial velocity (ie. the final velocity you computed in part one), the downward acceleration 9.8 m/s2, and the final velocity 0 at the top of its trajectory.


I'm sorry but terribly confused.
What is time though because to use "final velocity = initial velocity + acceleration * time" to find initial velocity you need time.
Because I tried to find time but it came out weird like -1.03 when I used
Vf = Vi +at
0 = 20 + 9.8t
 
Jimmy Rose said:
I'm sorry but terribly confused.
What is time though because to use "final velocity = initial velocity + acceleration * time" to find initial velocity you need time.
Because I tried to find time but it came out weird like -1.03 when I used
Vf = Vi +at
0 = 20 + 9.8t

What would you get if you considered the acceleration to be in the opposite direction as your new initial velocity?
 
atyy said:
What would you get if you considered the acceleration to be in the opposite direction as your new initial velocity?

Time would be 1

Vf = Vi +at
0 = -9.8 + 9.8t
Is that what you meant?
Because I would get a negative in Max height if Vi was downward acceleration.
 
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Jimmy Rose said:
Vf = Vi +at
0 = 20 + 9.8t

I was thinking that 20 is upwards, but gravity is downwards.

Vi=20
a=-9.8
 
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Yea!
Vf = Vi + at
0 = 20 + -9.8t
t = 2.04s

y2 = Vit + 1/2at^2
y2 = 20(2.04) + 1/2(-9.8)(2.04)^2
y2 = 20.4m

y1(20) + y2(20.4) = yfinal (40.4m)
and the third question is time it took to get there?
Which the initial 2 plus the additional 2.04 = 4.04sec which is on the answer selection.
Thanks just one more thing if not too much trouble.
What is the X distance (range) when the rocket hits the ground?
(a) 153m (b) 166m (c) 187m (d) 205m (e) 230m
All I could come up with is Vi = 0, ax=0m/s^2
 
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Jimmy Rose said:
Yea!

Well, glad you're happy. :smile: BTW, hope it makes sense to you, since it certainly doesn't to me - I'm a biologist and haven't done these problems in years. :devil:

Jimmy Rose said:
Thanks just one more thing if not too much trouble.
What is the X distance (range) when the rocket hits the ground?
(a) 153m (b) 166m (c) 187m (d) 205m (e) 230m
All I could come up with is Vi = 0, ax=0m/s^2

In your solution to part one, you got the vertical component of the acceleration. You could also consider the horizontal component of the acceleration. Again, remember that there are two parts to the trajectory, each with a different acceleration.
 

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