How Do You Calculate Probabilities in Waste Dump Site Investigations?

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The discussion revolves around calculating probabilities related to federal law violations at two waste dump sites. Participants explore the implications of the terms "disjoint" and "independent" in the context of probability theory, particularly focusing on how these concepts affect the calculation of probabilities for violations at the two sites.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant estimates the probability of violations at the first site as 0.30 and at the second site as 0.25, initially believing the events to be disjoint.
  • There is confusion about the correct calculation for the probability of violations in either project, with suggestions that it could be either P(A ∩ B) = 0.30 - 0.25 or P(A ∪ B) = 0.30 + 0.25.
  • Another participant clarifies that if the events are disjoint, then P(A ∩ B) = 0, and provides the formula P(A ∪ B) = P(A) + P(B) - P(A ∩ B) for independent events.
  • Participants discuss the implications of independence versus disjointness, noting that if the events are independent, P(B | ¬A) = P(B) = 0.25.
  • There is acknowledgment of the administrator's confusion between disjoint and independent events, prompting a re-evaluation of the calculations based on this clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of disjoint versus independent events, leading to multiple interpretations of how to calculate the probabilities. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct approach to the calculations based on the initial misunderstanding.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity in definitions and calculations, indicating that the confusion stems from a misunderstanding of the terms "disjoint" and "independent." There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the nature of the events.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or individuals seeking to understand the concepts of probability, particularly in the context of mutually exclusive and independent events, as well as their applications in real-world scenarios such as environmental investigations.

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HELP PLEASE! Probability of Waste dump sites

Okay, here's my problem:
A federal agency is deciding wqhich of two waste dump projects to inviestigate. A top administrator estimates that the probability of federal law violations is 0.30 in the first site and 0.25 at the second project. He also believes the occurences of violations in these two projects are disjoint.

#1. what is the probability of federal law violations in the first or second project
So I'm thinking it's just p(AnB)=0.30-0.25, but I'm not sure. My prof has some examples and horrible explanaitions that don't give just probability, so I'm lost here. I also thought it could be p(AuB)= 0.3+0.25, but I am so lost as stats and math are not my strong point.

#2. Given that there is not a federal law violation in the first project, find the probability that there is a federal law violation in the second project.
Is this supposed to be p(B)=0.25? I know that's just the easy answer, but really, if there is non happeing in the first project, that means p(Abar) =0.70, so would it be 0.70+0.25? or 0.70-0.25? Once again, I have no idea

#3. In reality, the administrator confused disjoint and independent, and the events are actually independent. Anser #1 and #2 with the correct information.
Okay, so dijoint means they just don't happen at the same time, and independent means ...I don't know, how would all this change?

Any help is appreciated. Explanaitions really work wonders, especially if you can show me with those venn diagrams. I'm just so very very lost in this class they force me to take for my degree. Kudos for those of you who rock this stuff =)
 
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Let A be the event that the first dump commits a violation.

Let B be the event that the second dump commits a violation.


Disjoint means P(A \cap B) = 0

It also means P(A \cap \overline{B}) = P(A) and P( \overline{A} \cap {B}) = P(B)


Independence means P (A \cap B) = P(A)P(B)

And if A and B are independent, so are A and \overline{B}, \overline{A} and B, and \overline{A} and \overline{B}


1) P(A \cup B) = P(A) + P (B) - P(A \cap B)

2) P(B| \overline{A}) = \frac {P(B \cap \overline{A})}{P(\overline{A})} = \frac {P(B) + P( \overline{A}) - P(B \cap \overline{A})}{P(\overline{A})}
 
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Fear_of_Math said:
Okay, here's my problem:
A federal agency is deciding wqhich of two waste dump projects to inviestigate. A top administrator estimates that the probability of federal law violations is 0.30 in the first site and 0.25 at the second project. He also believes the occurences of violations in these two projects are disjoint.
"Disjoint" in this situation would mean there cannot be violations in BOTH sites- one excludes the other.
Do you mean "independent" rather than "disjoint" here?

#1. what is the probability of federal law violations in the first or second project
So I'm thinking it's just p(AnB)=0.30-0.25, but I'm not sure.
First AnB is "A and B", not "A or B". Second p(AnB)= 0 if A and B are "disjoint" (mutually exclusive) or p(A)p(B), if they are independent, not P(A)- P(B).

P(A or B)= p(A)+ p(B)- p(AnB) and so either .30+ .25= .55 if they are mutually exclusive, .30+ .25- (.30)(.25)= .55-.075= .475 if they are independent.

My prof has some examples and horrible explanaitions that don't give just probability, so I'm lost here. I also thought it could be p(AuB)= 0.3+0.25, but I am so lost as stats and math are not my strong point.

#2. Given that there is not a federal law violation in the first project, find the probability that there is a federal law violation in the second project.
If they are "disjoint" (mutually exclusive), then p(B|A) (probability of B given that A is true)= 0, by definition of "mutually exclusive". If independent, then p(B)= .25 irrelevant of A.

Is this supposed to be p(B)=0.25? I know that's just the easy answer, but really, if there is non happeing in the first project, that means p(Abar) =0.70, so would it be 0.70+0.25? or 0.70-0.25? Once again, I have no idea

#3. In reality, the administrator confused disjoint and independent, and the events are actually independent. Anser #1 and #2 with the correct information.
Okay, so dijoint means they just don't happen at the same time, and independent means ...I don't know, how would all this change?
I did not notice until after my previous answers the whole problem is about a confusion of "disjoint" and "independent" so I have alread answered this!

Any help is appreciated. Explanaitions really work wonders, especially if you can show me with those venn diagrams. I'm just so very very lost in this class they force me to take for my degree. Kudos for those of you who rock this stuff =)
 


Thank you so much for putting this in perspective for me. I have a better understanding now then I did those three days in the lecture!
 

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