How Do You Calculate Speed and Time of a Falling Object with No Air Resistance?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed and time of a falling object dropped from a height of 109 km, specifically focusing on the scenario where air resistance is negligible. The problem is situated within the context of gravitational physics, particularly involving concepts of acceleration due to gravity and kinematics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the speed and distance traveled by a rock dropped from a height, using a chart with time increments and acceleration values. They question the correctness of their calculations and seek alternative methods.
  • Another participant suggests using gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy relationships to derive velocity, and mentions the need for calculus to determine time through integration.
  • Some participants question the assumption of constant gravitational acceleration and suggest that more advanced calculations could be explored.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of energy principles and the potential need for calculus, while others are questioning foundational assumptions about gravity and its constancy at different altitudes.

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There is a mention of the gravitational constant provided by the teacher, and the original poster expresses confusion about the calculations and the intended approach. The problem also implies a challenge format rather than a standard homework assignment.

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THIS IS NOT A HOME WORK, THIS IS JUST FOR FUN?

I've been given a challenge by my grade 11 physics teacher and I can't make heads of tail of it, I’ve got the formulas but the numbers don't make sense.
If you went up 109 km (above sea level) and dropped a rock, what speed would it be traveling at and how long would it take to reach 34 km (above sea level). Air resistance can be ignored.
Gravitational constant
=9.79 m/second*second
This is the only formulas he gave me.
Where do I even start?
Distance:
Distance to be traveled = 109km - 34km
Distance to be traveled = 75km
I then started making a chart going by 0.5 second increments
Example:
{Time} (Acceleration) [calulation]
{0.5 sec} (39.16m) [9.79/(0.5*0.5)]
{1 sec} (9.79) [9.79/(1*1)]
{1.5 sec} (4.35) [9.79/(1.5*1.5)]
{2 sec} (2.44) [9.79/(2*2)]
{2.5 sec} (1.57) [9.79/(2.5*2.5)]
{3 sec} (1.09) [9.79/(3*3)]
So could someone tell me is this is right
After 3 seconds, the rocks velocity is 58.4 M/S and traveled a distance of 156 meters
I got the distance by taking the time
{Time} (Acceleration) <Current speed> [calculation]
{0.5 sec} (39.16m) <39.16 m/s> [39.16]
{1 sec} (9.79) <48.95 m/s> [39.16+9.79]
{1.5 sec} (4.35) <53.30 m/s> [48.95+4.35]
{2 sec} (2.44) <55.75 m/s> [53.30+2.44]
{2.5 sec} (1.57) <57.32 m/s> [55.75+1.5]
{3 sec} (1.09) <58.40 m/s> [57.32+1.09]
I got my distance traveled by summing up my current speeds and deviding the total by 2 (2 samples per second speed is in meters per second)
My total speed is the total of my currentspeed
First thing is that correct?
Second thing is this is correct is there a better way of doing this?
If this is not correct, what is the correct calculation?
 
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Just want to say before I begin that this might not be rite, and there is a good chance that the graphics won't come out quite how I want them to, but do your best with it.
I think that I can do part of it, so here goes...
First, we know that the following is true.
[tex]F_g = \frac{GM_1M_2}{r^2}[/tex]
and
[tex]F = M_2a[/tex]
(Assuming that mass is constant)
Since air resistance can be ignored, you can work out the velocity from the change in gravitational potential to kinetic energy, so...
[tex]\frac{1}{2}M_2v^2 = \delta\frac{GM_1M_2}{r}[/tex]
So, rearrange for v and let r be the difference in radius from the centre of mass of the earth, so r includes the radius of the earth.
Now for the time. From the two equations before, we get
[tex]a = \frac{GM_1}{r^2}[/tex],
and using calculus, the following can be done...
[tex]dv/dt = \frac{GM_1}{r^2}[/tex]
So, t can be found by integration (Let one of the limits equal zero) since we know what v is. Note, that the value of the radius is in metres, and takes into account of the radius of the earth, as before.
Hope this is rite, and that it helps.:biggrin:
 
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have you learned the kinematics equations?
 

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