How Do You Calculate Tension and Normal Force in an Atwood Machine?

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The problem involves an Atwood machine with two masses, m1 and m2, where m2 is resting on the floor and the system is in equilibrium. The discussion focuses on calculating the normal force (FN) and the tension (T) in the rope, with specific values provided for the masses and a tension value from a simulation.

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  • Participants explore the equilibrium condition and the forces acting on both masses. There are attempts to calculate the normal force and tension using provided equations and values. Questions arise regarding the correct approach to determine the normal force when the system is in equilibrium and how to reconcile the simulation's tension value with calculated values.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different perspectives on how to approach the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the forces acting on the masses, but no consensus has been reached on the calculations or interpretations of the problem's parts.

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There is a mention of the system being in equilibrium, which implies that the forces must balance. Additionally, there is confusion regarding the implications of the simulation's tension value and how it relates to the calculations being attempted.

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Homework Statement



For this problem the atwood's machine is used. There is a simulation where, m1 is 1.0 kg and m2 is 1.1 kg. Mass m2 rests on the floor that exerts a normal force, FN, on m2. There is no motion (i.e.. the system is in equilibrium). What is the normal force, FN, and what is the tension, T, in the rope? T (at t = 2.54 s) = ______. At equilibrium: FN + T – m2 • g = 0. Then FN = _______. For the simulation, at t=2.54 s, the tension of the pulley system is stated to be 9.789 N. Therefore I was wondering whether this value for tension is the value to be used or whether tension in the rope is to be calculated by other means.

Homework Equations



FN + T - M2 * g = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



I was thinking that maybe FN = (1.1 * 9.8) - (1.0*9.8) = 0.98 N
and T = (1.1 * 9.8) + (1.0 * 9.8) = 20.58 N

However this response does not seem to be correct to me. Can anyone please help me out. Thanks
 
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At t = 2.54 s both mass are moving with some acceleration. Both will be moving with the same acceleration. m2 must be moving in the downward direction.
The acceleration of m2 is given by (m2*g - T)/m2
The acceleration of m1 is given by ( T - m1*g )/m1.
Equate them and find the tension in the rope.
 
Ok but then how would i calculate the normal force exerted on m2?
 
toshiba_girl said:
Ok but then how would i calculate the normal force exerted on m2?
You seem to have 2 parts to the problem. The first asks for the normal force of the floor on m2, when the system is in equilibrium. The second apprently gives you a tension force when m1 is lowered by some force?? I don't know about part 2. But as for part 1, the equilibrium case, look first at the forces acting on m1. That will allow you to solve for the rope tension. Then you can use that value to solve for Fn acting on m2.
 

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