How Do You Calculate the Drag Coefficient to Decelerate a Dragster?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the drag coefficient necessary to decelerate a dragster from 220 mph to 50 mph within 4 seconds, considering the drag force is proportional to velocity. The problem involves differential equations and unit conversions between mph and feet per second.

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  • Participants explore the setup of the differential equation governing the motion of the dragster and question the necessity of certain terms, such as the gravitational force. There are discussions about unit conversions and the implications of using different units on the calculations.

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Participants have shared various attempts to solve for the drag coefficient, with some expressing uncertainty about their results compared to provided solutions. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made in the problem, particularly regarding the use of weight versus mass and the impact of unit conversions.

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Some participants note the potential confusion arising from using weight instead of mass in calculations and the implications of converting units. There is also mention of the original poster's request for simpler equations, indicating a preference for accessible methods.

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a drag chute must be designed to reduce the speed of a 3000-lb dragster from 220 mph to 50 mph in 4 sec. Assume that the drag force is proportional to the velocity.

a) what value of the drag coefficient k is needed to accomplish this?
b) how far will the dragster travel in the 4-sec interval?

the way i reasonned is the following:

m(dv/dt) = sum of all forces
m(dv/dt) = -mg -kv (F=-kv drag force "opposite direction to the velocity).

mv' +kv = -mg
v' +(k/m)v = -g

integrating factor = e^(k/m)t

multiplying the integrating factor by the diff eq and integrating

we get: v(t) = -(mg/k) +Ce^(-k/m)t

initial conditions t=0 v=v(0)=220

--> C = v(0) +(mg/k)

thus v(t) = -(mg/k)(1 - e^(-k/m)t) +v(0)e^(-k/m)t

now in order to find the value of k
we have v(t)=50 mph
v(0) = 220 mph
g =32
m =3000
t = 4 sec

but we have a k^-1 and a k in the exponential.
how can we get the value of k?

it's a sophomore level course.
I don't need very complicated equations :).

Thanks,
Joe
 
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Your dragster is moving horizontally, so you won't need an mg term - that acts in the vertical direction anyway, and m(dv/dt) and kv act in the horizontal.

That should simplify it a bit.

Also, remember to keep your units compatible. If you are using imperial measure, then your velocity shoud be in feet/sec, not mph.
 
i don't know how to transform from mph to feet per sec :)
can you help me? :)
 
There are 1760 yards in a mile and 3 ft in a yard
Convert miles to feet and divide by 3600 (60*60) to bring it from mph to ft/sec
 
i got for 50 mph = 73.3 ft/sec
and for 220 mph = 322.6 ft/sec

my solution was v(t) = v(0)e^(-k/m)t

v(t) = 73.3
v(0) = 322.6
t = 4 sec
m = 3000 lb

i got a value of k =1111.1
but in solutionary we have k = 0.2469

i must have done a terrible mistake.
can u tell me what is it?

thanks
 
I've gone over the problem a few times, and I can't justify the given solution, of k = 0.2964.
I get the same result as yourself, k = 1111.2.
It looks like a wrong answer in the book/solution set.
 
well I'm sorry to make you work it few times.
And in fact, 1111.3 is the right answer.

I still have some problem in the second part of the problem

mv' = -kv

m (dv/dt) = -kv

m (dv/dx)(dx/dt) = -k(dx/dt)

m(dv/dx) = -k

mdv = -kdx

integating mv = -kx
thus we end up with a negative value for x
or is there another way to solve for x?

thanks again
 
That's the correct way to solve for x.
x is supposed to be negative so that you have a decreasing exponential function. One that starts at 220 mph and ends up at 50 mph.

Oh, btw, You didn't have to convert the velocity from mph to ft/s. Not in this particular problem, that is. You would have got the same value for k if you had used mph, since it only depended on the ratio of the velocities.
 
Notice that 3000 pounds is not mass. It is weight which is the gravitational force on the car. Since F= ma so m= F/a= 3000/32.2 slugs (or poundals).
 

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