How Do You Calculate the Energy of Particles Using De Broglie's Equation?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy of particles, specifically an electron and a neutron, using De Broglie's equation. The original poster presents calculations for both particles based on their wavelengths and expresses confusion regarding the discrepancy between their results and the answers provided in a textbook.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the energy of an electron and a neutron using their respective wavelengths and expresses uncertainty about the neutron's energy calculation. Some participants question the distinction between total energy and kinetic energy in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the calculations and clarifying the concept of kinetic energy versus total energy. One participant offers guidance on how to approach the problem by focusing on kinetic energy, which seems to redirect the discussion towards understanding the correct interpretation of the problem.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes a significant difference between their calculated energy for the neutron and the textbook answer, leading to confusion about the validity of their calculations. There is an emphasis on the distinction between total energy and kinetic energy in the context of the problem.

Von Neumann
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Problem:

a. Calculate the energy in eV of an electron with a wavelength of 1 fm.

b. Make the same calculation for a neutron.

Solution (so far):

a. λ=h/p=(hc)/(pc)=(1240 MeV fm)/(pc)=1fm

so, pc=1240 MeV

E=√[(pc)^2+E_0^2]

=√[(1240 MeV)^2+(.511MeV)^2]

∴E=1.24 GeV

This is the same answer as the back of my book, so I'm assuming this is the correct method of solution. However, I do the same thing for the neutron and my answer does not agree.

b. E=√[(1240 MeV)^2+(940 MeV)^2]

∴E=1560 Mev

My book says the correct answer is 616 MeV.

I don't see how an energy like that is even possible. Solving the following for pc,

E^2=(pc)^2+E_0^2

pc=√[E^2-E_0^2]

When you plug in the "correct" answer of E=616 MeV you get,

pc=√[(616 MeV)^2-(940 MeV)^2]

You certainly cannot take a square root of a negative number and get a meaningful answer. Any suggestions?
 
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Fact: when we talk of a particle with x eV of energy we are talking about its KINETIC energy, not its total energy.

So - compute the neutron's total energy E, subtract rest energy E_0, which gets you the K.E. , and you get what?
(Hint: the advertised answer).
 
Rude man,

You will always catch my stupid mistakes, and for that I thank you.

It hadn't occurred to me that the kinetic energy is what was being asked for.
 
Von Neumann said:
Rude man,

You will always catch my stupid mistakes, and for that I thank you.

It hadn't occurred to me that the kinetic energy is what was being asked for.

Don't worry about it, it's just the convention!
 

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