How Do You Calculate the Frequency of a Mass Oscillating on a Spring?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the frequency of a mass oscillating on a spring after it has been gently placed on the spring and falls a certain distance before beginning to oscillate. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, specifically harmonic motion and energy conservation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between potential energy and kinetic energy in the context of oscillation. There are attempts to derive the frequency using energy conservation principles and the spring constant. Questions arise about the validity of certain equations and the implications of the given data.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided insights into the problem, suggesting different approaches to relate the spring constant and mass to the frequency. There is an ongoing exploration of the equations involved, with no explicit consensus reached yet on a single method or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of certain information, such as the mass of the object and the spring constant, which complicates the calculations. The discussion also acknowledges that the problem is situated within an introductory physics context, indicating a level of complexity appropriate for that audience.

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Homework Statement



A mass m is gently placed on the end of a freely hanging spring. The mass then falls 36 cm before it stops and begins to rise. What is the frequency of the oscillation?

Homework Equations



f=[1/(2pi)]*[k/m]^0.5
E=KE+PE
PE_s=0.5kx^2
KE=0.5mv^2
v=rw

The Attempt at a Solution



So all we start off know is the amplitude is 36cm.
At a peak of oscillation velocity=0 so,
E=PE+KE => KE=0, E=PE
E=0.5*kA^2

At equilibrium point (middle of oscillation velocity=max and PE=0)
E=KE
0.5*kA^2=0.5*mv^2
v_max=wA so,
0.5*kA^2=0.5*m*w^2*A^2, A's and 0.5's cancel out (bad because only value given?)
k=mw^2, w=2(pi)f
k=m[2(pi)f]^2
Solve for f and I just did a proof of f=[1/(2pi)]*[k/m]^0.5 on accident and got no where...help.
 
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Well who could resist such a spring question on the vernal equinox? You have posted many useful eqns, do you have any others that relate the above to periodic motion. In other words, the conditions given will give rise to a pendulum motion, but w/o differential eqns experience or a plug-in formula, its difficult to solve.

from the data given, one can conjecture at the end of the spring bob:(energy conservation)

1/2Ky^2=mgy where Y=.36m hence, k=2mg/y. So now we have K. Most problems of thsi sort have k and m in a radical, any help yet?
 
denverdoc said:
Well who could resist such a spring question on the vernal equinox? You have posted many useful eqns, do you have any others that relate the above to periodic motion. In other words, the conditions given will give rise to a pendulum motion, but w/o differential eqns experience or a plug-in formula, its difficult to solve.

from the data given, one can conjecture at the end of the spring bob:(energy conservation)

1/2Ky^2=mgy where Y=.36m hence, k=2mg/y. So now we have K. Most problems of thsi sort have k and m in a radical, any help yet?

Don't have time now, but I'll look at it later. It is an introductory physics class so I know no diffy q is needed.
 
f=[1/(2pi)]*[k/m]^0.5

F=kx
mg=kx
k/m=g/x, were x is the amplitude which is known, substitute into above "f" equation and solve. That valid?
 

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