How Do You Calculate the Height of Fluid in a Horizontal Cylinder?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the height of fluid in a horizontal cylinder given the total volume of the cylinder and the volume of fluid it contains. Participants explore the complexities involved in this calculation, particularly when the cylinder is oriented horizontally.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in calculating the height of fluid from known volumes, specifically when the cylinder is horizontal.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to know the specific shape and dimensions of the cylinder, such as its radius and height.
  • A participant provides specific dimensions: a cylinder with a radius of 46 inches, a total volume of 1000 ft³, and a fluid volume of 300 ft³, seeking to find the height of the fluid.
  • There is a discussion about the formula for the volume of a cylinder, with a focus on the differences between vertical and horizontal orientations.
  • One participant explains that the calculation becomes more complex when the cylinder is horizontal, noting that the volume is not directly proportional to height in this case.
  • A detailed mathematical approach is presented, involving the calculation of the cylinder's length based on its volume and the use of circular segment area formulas to determine the height of the fluid.
  • Iterative methods for solving the equations related to the circular segment are discussed, including specific calculations leading to an approximate height of 15.65 inches for the fluid.

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Participants generally agree on the complexity of the problem when the cylinder is horizontal, but there is no consensus on a single method or formula for calculating the height of the fluid from the given volumes.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the geometry of the cylinder and the specific orientation, as well as the need for iterative methods to solve for the height of the fluid in a horizontal cylinder.

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Thanks in advance!

I have problem that is causing me a headache to no end. In a cylinder, if one knows the total volume of cylinder and total volume of fluid in said cylinder, how would the height of this fluid be computed? I have no problems calculating volumes based on height, but the other way around and aargghhhh
 
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You need to know the specific shape of the cylinder, not just the total volume of it.
Does the problem provide you with the horizontal radius of the cylinder, or maybe the height of the cylinder?
 
The radius of the cylinder is 46 inches. The height of the fluid is below the total height if the cylinder. So, volume of cylinder would be 1000 ft^3, radius of cylinder is 46 inches, and volume of the fluid is 300 ft^3. What is the height of the fluid in the cylinder
 
Do you know the formula for calculating the volume of a cylinder, given the radius and the height?
 
It also makes a difference how the cylinder is oriented. If the cylinder is vertical, the volume is proportional to the height. If the cylinder is lying horizontally, it's harder to determine the height of liquid from the volume that's present in the tank.
 
Indeed, the answer comes easily if the cylinder is vertically oriented. Then pi*r^2*h is the quick solution. But, if the cylinder is on its side... This is the problem I am trying to solve. I have no problem determining the volume of fluid in a partially filled tank when height of fluid is given and radius of cylinder is supplied. I am trying to work backwards, and am having no luck :(
 
frankivalli said:
Indeed, the answer comes easily if the cylinder is vertically oriented. Then pi*r^2*h is the quick solution. But, if the cylinder is on its side... This is the problem I am trying to solve. I have no problem determining the volume of fluid in a partially filled tank when height of fluid is given and radius of cylinder is supplied. I am trying to work backwards, and am having no luck :(

It seems like you have all the right information; what you are lacking is the geometry to make this information useful to you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_segment

You have a cylinder with diameter d = 46" and a total capacity of 1000 ft^3.

If this cylinder is oriented so that its axis is horizontal, then the length of the cylinder will be:

V = π*r^{2}L

1000 = π (23/12)^{2}L

L = 86.65 ft approx.

Now, the cylinder is filled to 300 ft^3, what is the depth of the contents?

In this case, we want to find the cross sectional area A so that A*L = 300 ft^3

A = 300 / 86.65 = 3.46 ft^2 approx.

We know from the article on circular segments that:

A = (r^{2}/2)*(α - sin(α)), where α is the central angle in radians

So:

3.46 = [(23/12)^{2}/2]*(α - sin(α))

(α - sin(α)) = 1.885 approx.

This equation can be solved by iteration:
Code:
   α        α - sin(α)
  1.000     0.1585
  2.000     1.0907
  2.500     1.9015
  2.490     1.8835
  2.491     1.8853

so α = 2.491 radians approx., which means the central angle Θ = 142.72 deg.

From the article:

h = r*(1 - cos(Θ/2))

so

h = (23)*(1 - cos(2.491/2)) = 15.65 inches

For a capacity of 300 ft^3, the depth of the contents is about 15.65 inches.

Calculations like this can be programmed into a spreadsheet, so that you can make a table of capacities for the cylinder at different depths. You can either measure the depth of fluid directly, or measure to the surface of the fluid, which distance is called the ullage.
 

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