How Do You Calculate the Instantaneous Linear Speed of a T-Shaped Pendulum?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the instantaneous linear speed of a T-shaped pendulum made of two uniform bars. The problem involves analyzing the motion of the assembly as it swings down from a held position, focusing on energy conservation principles and the dynamics of the system.

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  • Participants explore the use of energy equations to find velocity, questioning the moment of inertia and the center of mass calculations. There are discussions about potential energy lost and how to express kinetic energy in terms of the system's parameters.

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Some participants have provided insights into the potential energy calculations and the center of mass, while others have raised questions about the completeness of the initial problem statement and the necessary parameters for solving it. There is an ongoing examination of the equations involved, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or solution.

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Participants note the importance of the length of the bars and the moments of inertia in the calculations. There are indications of missing information that could affect the analysis, such as the specific lengths of the bars and how they relate to the overall setup.

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1. A T-shaped assembly is made of two identical uniform bars of length d and mass m each. One end of one of the bars is rigidly connected to the midpoint of the other. The assembly is pivoted at the connection point and held in position A. After it is released, the assembly swings down in the vertical plane. Neglect all resistive forces.

Find the instantaneous linear speed of the bottom point of the assembly as it passes through position B
2. I tryed to use energy equation to find the velocity, but moment of inertia is unknown
2mg(d/2)=1/2(2m)v_{cm}^2+1/2I_{cm}\omega^2 so I can't figure out how to continue
 
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The assembly is in the first position.
The length of each bar is L

Im guessing the assembly centre of mass is ( L / 4 ) above the pivot point.
( i considered each bar as a point mass at its individual centre of mass, then assumed the combined centre of mass at a point halfway inbetween )

The distance the combined centre of mass falls is ( L / 4 ) * 2
(call this distance h )
So, the potential energy lost = m * g * h
 
dean barry said:
The assembly is in the first position.
The length of each bar is L

Im guessing the assembly centre of mass is ( L / 4 ) above the pivot point.
( i considered each bar as a point mass at its individual centre of mass, then assumed the combined centre of mass at a point halfway inbetween )

The distance the combined centre of mass falls is ( L / 4 ) * 2
(call this distance h )
So, the potential energy lost = m * g * h

I agree, that height lost is h=L/2, but the potential energy is 2mgh, because of the combined mass. But this is what I have written in the equation of my question. This leads me nowhere. I have 1 equation 2 unknowns..
 
myko said:
1. A T-shaped assembly is made of two identical uniform bars of length and mass each.

That sentence seems incomplete. Have you missed out something?
You will certainly need the length of the bars to answer the question.
I would consider the KE of each bar separately. If each has mass m, length L, what are their moments of inertia about O?
 
haruspex said:
That sentence seems incomplete. Have you missed out something?
You will certainly need the length of the bars to answer the question.
I would consider the KE of each bar separately. If each has mass m, length L, what are their moments of inertia about O?
I added some letters that where missed, sry.
The momento of inertia of horizontal bar is I=md^2/12 and vertival bar I=md^2/3
so combined kinethik energy at position B is:
K=((1/2)md^2/12+(1/2)md^2/3)\omega^2=2mg(d/2)
is this correct?
 

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