How Do You Calculate the Molar Enthalpy of Formic Acid?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the molar enthalpy of formic acid (ΔH°2) in the context of a Thermochemistry lab report. Participants explore the necessary calculations involving two chemical reactions, the determination of heat transfer (q1 and q2), and the implications of pH on these calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the reactions involved and provides initial calculations for q1 based on the pH, questioning the correctness of their approach.
  • The same participant seeks clarification on how to calculate the moles of HCOOH remaining after the reaction, indicating uncertainty about the dissociation of formic acid and the reaction with hydroxide ions.
  • Another participant criticizes the clarity of the initial post, suggesting that the information provided is ambiguous and chaotic, implying that some calculations may be incorrect.
  • A separate participant introduces a new question regarding a galvanic cell setup, asking about the balanced cell reaction equation and the role of the electrode material.
  • Another response advises against posting unrelated questions in existing threads, emphasizing the role of the electrode material in the reaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the calculations presented, as one participant expresses confusion and suggests errors in the initial approach. Additionally, the introduction of a new question about galvanic cells indicates a shift in focus, leading to further disagreement about thread organization.

Contextual Notes

The discussion lacks clarity on the assumptions made regarding the dissociation of formic acid and the specific calculations for q1 and q2. The relationship between the moles of HCOOH and the reactions taking place remains unresolved.

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Homework Statement


I'm doing report for a Thermochemistry lab and I need to calculate the molar enthalpy of formic acid, ΔH°2.

Two reactions are taking place

1) H3O + OH <-> 2H2O with ΔH°1 = -58400J/mol and some q1
2) HCOOH + OH <-> H2O + HCOO and we need to calculate ΔH°2.

I also know the pH is 1.96 before the neutralization took place.

Homework Equations



q = nΔH°
qsystem = q1 + q2 = -qsurroundings = -(CcalΔTcal + CvVacidΔTacid +CvVbaseΔTbase)...[2]

The Attempt at a Solution

So my general approach is:::

First calcualate what q1 is because I know the pH.

[H3O] = 10-1.96
[H3O] = 0.011 M
=> moles of H3O = Vacid*[H3O] = 0.05L * 0.011M = 0.00055 mol H3O {Is this right?}

Then, q = nΔH° = 0.00055mol * 58400 J/mol = 32.12 {does this make sense?}

Now I calculate q2 using equation [2]
Ccal = 76 J/°C
ΔTcal = 6.2°C

Cv = 4.16
Vacid = 50mL
ΔTacid = 6.2°C

Vbase = 50mL
ΔTbase = 5.2°C

q2 = 2842.4J {correct?} Now, ΔH°2 = q2/moles of HCOOHHow do I find the moles of HCOOH? I'm told that "some of the formic acid dissociated and some of the OH reacted with H3O, so you need to determine the mole sof HCOOH left over after the reaction of H3O and OH"

How do I do that? and am I right so far?
 
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It won't hurt if you will tell us what you really did, what are q1 and q2, and what are you expected to determine. We don't know how to read your mind, and what you wrote so far is not enough, it is chaotic and leaves a lot ambiguity. Some things you did are wrong for sure, no matter what you were trying to calculate.
 
Ignore that whole question, I have a whole new question:

if you have a galvanic cell set up like:

Pt | 0.1M Fe3+, 0.1M Fe2+ || 0.1M AgNO3 | Ag

What does it mean to write a balanced cell reaction equation and how do I do it?

I know that the + electrode was Ag(s) so that means that the cathode was Ag meaning Ag was reduced from Ag2+. So is the answer Pt(s) + Ag2+(aq) -> Pt2+(aq) + Ag(s)?
 
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Please don't pot new questions in old threads, start a new one.

Pt is just an electrode material, it doesn't take part in the reaction.
 

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