How Do You Calculate the Moment of Inertia for a System of Particles?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the moment of inertia for a system of particles, specifically focusing on particles A, B, and C with given coordinates and masses. The original poster is attempting to find the center of mass and subsequently the moment of inertia, expressing uncertainty about their calculations and methodology.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the center of mass using weighted averages of the particle positions but questions the accuracy of their arithmetic. They also express uncertainty about how to calculate the moment of inertia and the appropriate axis to use.
  • Some participants question the arithmetic used in the center of mass calculations and suggest corrections. They also inquire about the axis of rotation for the moment of inertia.
  • Others suggest using the center of mass as the axis and provide guidance on calculating distances from this point to each particle.
  • Further attempts to calculate the distance from the center of mass to each particle raise additional questions about the correctness of the results obtained.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on calculations and clarifying concepts related to the moment of inertia. There is a collaborative effort to address arithmetic errors and explore the application of formulas, though no consensus has been reached on the final calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the amount of direct assistance they can provide. There is also a noted preference for using fractions versus decimals in calculations, which may affect the clarity of the results.

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Hey everyone,

Im solving a group of questions based on a system of particles, A(2,0) with a mass of 4kg, B(0,1) with a mass of 6kg and C(1,1 ) with a mass of 3kg. I have to find the centre of mass and also calculate the moment of inertia.

To find the centre of mass I am attempting the following:

" 1/13 [(4.2) + (6.0) + (3.1)]= 3/13 "

" 1/13 [(4.0) + (6.1) + (3.1)]= 1 1/65 "

so centre or mass wud b? ... (3/13, 1 1/65 )

Im not sure if this is correct?

Also I am unsure of how to calculate the moment of inertia?

I really would appreciate any help,

Regards,

Richard
 
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richardnumber said:
" 1/13 [(4.2) + (6.0) + (3.1)]= 3/13 "
I assume you mean:
1/13 [(4*2) + (6*0) + (3*1)]= ??

That would be correct for the x-component, but your answer is not. Redo your arithmetic.

" 1/13 [(4.0) + (6.1) + (3.1)]= 1 1/65 "
Similar comments for the y-component.

Also I am unsure of how to calculate the moment of inertia?
The moment of inertia of a particle about some axis is mR², where R is the distance to the axis. Where's your axis?
 
oops! few mistakes there, yeah the correct answer would be (11/13, 9/13) ?? My axis is the centre of mass. how would I apply this to the system in this equation?

thank you so much for your help btw!

- Richard
 
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richardnumber said:
oops! few mistakes there, yeah the correct answer would be (11/13, 9/13) ??
Good.
My axis is the centre of mass. how would I apply this to the system in this equation?
Start by finding each particle's distance (or distance squared) from the center of mass. Then calculate the moment of inertia of each particle. Add them to get the total for the system.
 
thanks again for your quick reply! really helpful! :D

- for the length of each particle to the centre of mass I am using:

d = *squareroot* [ (a-x)^2 + (b - y)^2 ]

where (x , y) = centre of mass position and (a, b) = particles position.

Following this and using mR^2, I am getting some odd numbers. for the first particle the results
are: 28 164/169??

thank you again for your help!
 
richardnumber said:
- for the length of each particle to the centre of mass I am using:

d = *squareroot* [ (a-x)^2 + (b - y)^2 ]

where (x , y) = centre of mass position and (a, b) = particles position.
That should work fine.

Following this and using mR^2, I am getting some odd numbers. for the first particle the results
are: 28 164/169??
No, that's not right. Show how you got that result, step by step.
 
well for the length of the first particle 'A', i have: sqroot**( (2-11/13)^2 + (0-9/13)^2)**

which results in 3 sqroot*34*/13, is this correct so far? with mR^2, will 'm' represent the mass of each particle? if so, i get 7 41/169, different arithmetic :s thanks again!
 
Yes, that's right. Do you really have to work in fractions? This will be much easier if you just use decimals.
 

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