How Do You Calculate the Net Electric Force on a Particle?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net electric force on a positively charged particle A due to another positively charged particle B, which is fixed in the yz-plane. Participants are tasked with expressing this force as a vector using specific variables and constants related to electric force and distance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore how to determine the components of the electric force using the distances between the charges. There are questions about using geometric relationships, such as forming triangles to find angles and distances. Some participants discuss the implications of the charges being the same and how that affects the direction of the force.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the calculations and clarifying the role of angles in determining force components. There is recognition of the need to adjust the signs of the force components due to the repulsive nature of like charges. No explicit consensus has been reached, but there is a productive exchange of ideas regarding the setup and calculations.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the resources available for reference. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions regarding the distances and the nature of the charges involved.

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Homework Statement




Particle B, with positive charge q_a, fixed in the yz-plane at (0,d_2,d_2). What is the net force F on particle A (positive) due to this charge?
Express your answer (a vector) using k, q_0, q_3, d_2, x hat, y hat, and z hat. Include only the force caused by particle B.

Homework Equations



electric force F = k(q_a)(q_b)/(d_2)^2
k = 9*10^9
q_a,q_b = point charges
d_2 = distance between charges

The Attempt at a Solution



i really not sure how to go about determining the components of the force due to particle B
could someone help me with some guidelines on how to do so pls or a link to somewhere, couldn't find too much when i searched

do i use the z and x distances to form a triangle and then use the side lengths to determine the angle theta?

thanks so much
 

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jelliDollFace said:

Homework Statement

Particle B, with positive charge q_a, fixed in the yz-plane at (0,d_2,d_2). What is the net force F on particle A (positive) due to this charge?
Express your answer (a vector) using k, q_0, q_3, d_2, x hat, y hat, and z hat. Include only the force caused by particle B.

Homework Equations



electric force F = k(q_a)(q_b)/(d_2)^2
k = 9*10^9
q_a,q_b = point charges
d_2 = distance between charges

The Attempt at a Solution



i really not sure how to go about determining the components of the force due to particle B
could someone help me with some guidelines on how to do so pls or a link to somewhere, couldn't find too much when i searched

do i use the z and x distances to form a triangle and then use the side lengths to determine the angle theta?

thanks so much

Coulomb's law is based on the distance between the charges.

What is the distance if the charge is located d2 y and d2 z away?
 
it would just be the hypotenuse using d2_y and d2_z as the sides, so distance = sqrt(d2_y^2 + d2_z^2), so is the triangle formed a 45-45-90?
 
jelliDollFace said:
it would just be the hypotenuse using d2_y and d2_z as the sides, so distance = sqrt(d2_y^2 + d2_z^2), so is the triangle formed a 45-45-90?

Yes, making the distance effectively then (2)1/2 * d2
 
so using the constants stated in problem the force would be:

F = (k*q_0*q_3)/ (d_2(2^1/2))^2, how would i state the unit vectors the problem involves components, i know it involves x hat and z hat?
 
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jelliDollFace said:
so using the constants stated in problem the force would be:

F = (k*q_0*q_3)/ (d_2(2^1/2))^2, how would state the unit vectors the problem involves components, i know it involves x hat and z hat?

[tex]\vec{F} = 0 \hat{x} + \frac{F}{\sqrt{2}}\hat{y} + \frac{F}{\sqrt{2}}\hat{z}[/tex]

Where

[tex]F = \frac{k*q_0*q_3}{(d_2* \sqrt{2})^2}[/tex]
 
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ohhh, but why is F divided by 2? i must've missed something
 
jelliDollFace said:
ohhh, but why is F divided by 2? i must've missed something

Because those are the components of the force in each direction.

But oops that should be over the sqrt of 2. Sorry.

The Root Sum of the Squares = the F

Edit: I just changed it.
 
In actual practice that would be the Cos or Sin of the angle contribution of the vector components.

It so happens in this case that the angles are Sin45 and Cos45 and = 1/2*sqrt(2) or 1/sqrt(2)
 
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thanks so much, actually the force components were supposed to be negative since the two point charges were of the same charge and thus repelled each other, so in other words replace the + with -
 
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jelliDollFace said:
thanks so much, actually the force components were supposed to be negative since the two point charges were of the same charge and thus repelled each other, so in other words replace the + with -

Yes, that's correct. The question was with respect to forces at A.
 

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