How Do You Calculate the Partition Function for Positronium at T=20000K?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the partition function for positronium at a temperature of 20000K. The original poster presents a homework statement that includes writing down the partition function, determining the probability of a specific state, and finding an expression for mean energy, while also noting the need to consider degeneracies in their calculations.

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  • The original poster attempts to substitute energy levels into the partition function but expresses confusion regarding how to incorporate degeneracies. Some participants suggest treating degenerate states as different states with similar energy, while others question the application of degeneracy in the calculations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's attempts, providing feedback on the use of degeneracies in the partition function. There is a recognition of the need for clarification on how to correctly apply these concepts, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach yet.

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The original poster mentions a deadline for their work, indicating a time constraint that may affect the discussion. Additionally, there is a reference to a diagram that is not included, which may limit the clarity of the problem setup.

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First off, I'm glad I'm finally a member on this board. It has helped me TREMENDOUSLY over the past few years with various problems I've had. You guys/gals are awesome and hopefully I can make some contributions to this site.

1. Homework Statement

A. Write down the partition function for positronium, assuming that only the levels illustrated in the diagram exist. Evaluate the partition function for T=20000K. Remember to include the degeneracies for each level. (I couldn't figure out how to copy and paste the diagram I was given, so I googled the one below. It's the same diagram, but the diagram I was given stops at the N=3 energy level)

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B. Write down an expression for the probability that the atom will exist in the state given by N=3, l=1, and determine that probability for T=20000K

C. Find an expression for the mean energy and evaluate that expression for T=20000K

Homework Equations



1. En = 6.803eV (1 - 1/n2)
2. Z= ∑e-E(s)/KT
3. P(s)= 1/z * e-En/KT
4. ∑ E(s)* P(s)

The Attempt at a Solution


A. So, we haven't done anything even close to this in class, so I'm a little coonfused, but to start, I substituted eq1 into the partition function in eq2 to get Z= ∑e-6.803eV (1 - 1/n2)/KT. After this, I'm completely stuck because we didn't really cover degeneracy in class very well. I know I'm supposed to multiply the expression by the degeneracy, but I'm not exactly sure how to do that.

B. Once A is found, this should be straightforward
C. Once A is found, this should be straightforwardMy work is due by 11/25 at 5pm (EST), any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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You can treat the degenerate states like different states with a very similar energy (they just happen to have a difference of exactly zero here), I think. The real states are not degenerate either.

5 pm where? In my time zone, you posted the thread after 5 pm ;).
 
mfb said:
You can treat the degenerate states like different states with a very similar energy (they just happen to have a difference of exactly zero here), I think. The real states are not degenerate either.

5 pm where? In my time zone, you posted the thread after 5 pm ;).

So for my n in my energy equation, I can just use the degeneracy?

and I've edited my post to include time zone, thanks!
 
So, I've rewritten the partition function using what I think is correct regarding the degeneracy.

Z= e-6.803(1-1/9)/KT + e-6.803(1-1/4)/KT + e-6.803(1-1/1)/KT
= e-6.047/KT + e-5.102/KT + e0
= (4)(1+ e-6.047/KT + e-5.102/KT)

I multiplied the partition function by 4 since it's four-fold degenerate.

am I at least on the right track?
 
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I don't see where you used the degeneracy now.
 
mfb said:
I don't see where you used the degeneracy now.

Sorry, I should've multiplied the partition function by 4 since it's four-fold degenerate. Is that correct?
 
4? One specific part of it, yes.
 

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