How Do You Calculate the Right Torque for a Robot's DC Motor?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the appropriate torque for a DC motor to be used in a robot. Participants explore the relationship between torque, force, acceleration, and speed, considering various factors that influence motor performance.

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  • One participant proposes a basic formula for torque based on force, distance, mass, and acceleration, but expresses confusion about quantifying acceleration.
  • Another participant notes that most motors exhibit decreasing torque with increasing speed, suggesting that the initial method may not be sufficient.
  • A participant introduces a relationship between torque and speed, presenting equations that describe how force and torque interact at different speeds.
  • Further mathematical exploration leads to a differential equation relating velocity and time, indicating that the calculation of torque is more complex than initially suggested.
  • Another participant derives a formula for maximum torque based on velocity and angular speed, highlighting constraints on the values involved.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method for calculating torque, as multiple approaches and considerations are presented, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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Participants acknowledge the complexity of the relationship between torque, speed, and acceleration, with some assumptions and conditions left unresolved, particularly regarding the behavior of motors under varying conditions.

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Hello

I need a little help here. I need to pick a DC motor to be used on a robot. I'm trying to calculate a minimum torque the motor should be able to produce, but I'm a little confused.

torque = Force * distance = Mass * acceleration * distance

(Ignoring moment of inertia created by the motor's load)

Mass will be the total mass of the robot, distance the radius of the wheels to be chosen. But how do I quantify acceleration?? I was thinking maybe determining how fast I want the velocity to "ramp" up to the max value, and use that slope.

Or perhaps there is an easier way to calculate the torques I should be accounting for.

Any ideas?
 
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Well, if the motor had a constant torque throughout is entire speed range, then your method would be fine. However, most motors will have a decreasing torque as the speed increases, with maximum torque at 0 rpm and no torque at its maximum operating speed.

http://lancet.mit.edu/motors/motors3.html

So then you have an equation where the force of the wheel depends on the speed that the robot is going.

[Edit: I'm at work, so I will be a little bit before I can work on figuring out what you need]
 
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Ok, so I have it where the torque [itex]\tau = \tau_{max}[/itex] when the angular speed [itex]\omega = 0[/itex] and [itex]\tau = 0[/itex] when [itex]\omega = \omega_{max}[/itex].

If we set [itex]\tau = F * r[/itex] and [itex]\omega = v / r[/itex], that gives us a linear equation relating the force to the speed:

[itex]F * r = \tau_{max} * (1 - \frac{v}{r * \omega_{max}})[/itex]

Or if we use [itex]F = m * a[/itex] and solve for [itex]a[/itex]:

[itex]a = \frac{\tau_{max}}{m * r} - \frac{\tau_{max}}{m * r^2 * \omega_{max}} * v[/itex]

Since [itex]a =\frac{d}{dt}v[/itex], this is an ODE of [itex]v[/itex] and [itex]t[/itex]:

[itex]\frac{d}{dt}v + \frac{\tau_{max}}{m * r^2 * \omega_{max}} * v = \frac{\tau_{max}}{m * r}[/itex]

Solving this gives us the equation:

[itex]v(t) = r * \omega_{max} + A e^{-\frac{\tau_{max}}{m * r^2 * \omega_{max}} t}[/itex]

To solve for [itex]A[/itex] we set [itex]v(0) = 0[/itex] and get [itex]A = -r * \omega_{max}[/itex], so the final equation is:

[itex]v(t) = r * \omega_{max} (1 - e^{-\frac{\tau_{max}}{m * r^2 * \omega_{max}} t})[/itex]

So it's not quite so simple to just say how much torque should you look for, you also need the max angular speed it will go.
 
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Starting from the equation I left off at:

[itex]v(t) = r * \omega_{max} (1 - e^{-\frac{\tau_{max}}{m * r^2 * \omega_{max}} t})[/itex]

We can then solve for the max torque that you would be looking for:

[itex]-\frac{m * r^2 * \omega_{max}}{t} * \ln (1 - \frac{v}{r * \omega_{max}}) = \tau_{max}[/itex]

Since the torque we are looking for is positive and real, that confines the inside of our logarithm to be between 0 and 1, that means that [itex]v[/itex] is between [itex]0[/itex] and [itex]r * \omega_{max}[/itex].
 

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