How do you calculate the sum of this infinite series?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the sum of an infinite series defined as (5/7)² - (5/7)³ + (5/7)⁴ - (5/7)⁵ + ..., exploring different interpretations of the series and the application of the geometric series formula.

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  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the value of 'a' in the geometric series formula, suggesting it is 0.
  • Another participant asserts that 'a' should be 1, prompting a reevaluation of the series.
  • A third participant proposes factoring out (5/7)² from the series, leading to a clarification that 'a' can be interpreted as 1.
  • Another participant argues that if 'a' is 0, all terms would also be 0, and discusses the implications of missing initial terms in the series.
  • One participant suggests using a different value for 'a' (25/49) and a negative common ratio (-5/7) in the geometric series formula.
  • Another participant introduces an alternative method by letting the sum be S and manipulating the equation to find S.
  • A later reply indicates that the formula can still be applied by redefining 'a' as (-5/7)², leading to further exploration of the series sum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the value of 'a' or the correct approach to summing the series, with multiple competing views and methods presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the initial terms of the series and the definitions of 'a' and 'r' in the context of the geometric series formula.

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I am trying to understand how to calculate the sum of the following
infinite series, can someone help please:

(5/7)2 - (5/7)3 + (5/7)4 - (5/7)5 + ...

The sum of such a series should be given by:

a / (1-r)

But the value of a = 0 (the first term = 0), hence my confusion.

Thanks
 
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The value of a is 1
 
Rewrite the series with (5/7)2 factored out.

(5/7)2(1 - 5/7 + (5/7)2 -+ ...)
Now can you see that a = 1 as VeeEight suggested?
 
If a = 0, all the terms will be 0.

Another point, the formula you quoted gives the limit of the sum of powers from 0 to n as n goes to infinity:

[tex]\frac{1}{1-r} = \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \left( -\frac{5}{7} \right)^k = 1 -\frac{5}{7} + \left(\frac{5}{7}\right)^2 - \left(\frac{5}{7}\right)^3 + ...[/tex]

But your sum is missing the first two terms,

[tex]\left( -\frac{5}{7} \right)^0 = 1, \left( -\frac{5}{7} \right)^1 = -\frac{5}{7}.[/tex]

So what you have is:

[tex]\sum_{k=2}^{\infty} \left( -\frac{5}{7} \right)^k = \frac{1}{1-r} - 1 - \left( -\frac{5}{7} \right).[/tex]

The general formula for a geometric series where the summation index begins at some value, m, not necessarily 0, is

[tex]\frac{ar^m}{1-r}, |r| < 1.[/tex]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_progression#Geometric_series
 
Astroboy, just use a=25/49 and r=-5/7 in the formula you already posted.
 
Hi astroboy17! :wink:

A different way of doing it to to say let the sum be S …

then if you divide S by (5/7)2, you get S + 1 - 5/7 …

ie (7/5)2S = S + 2/7 …

carry on from there. :smile:
 
Then we can still use the formula

[tex]\frac{a}{1-r}[/tex]

if we just redefine a as (-5/7)2, so:

[tex]\sum_{k=2}^{\infty}\left ( -\frac{5}{7} \right )^k = \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \left(-\frac{5}{7} \right )^2 \left( -\frac{5}{7} \right )^k[/tex]

[tex]= \left(-\frac{5}{7} \right )^2 \enspace \frac{\sum_{k=2}^{\infty} \left( -\frac{5}{7} \right )^k}{\left(-\frac{5}{7} \right )^2}[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{\left( -\frac{5}{7} \right )^2}{1-\left( -\frac{5}{7} \right )}.[/tex]
 

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