How Do You Calculate the Third Force in a System of Connected Masses?

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The problem involves calculating the third force in a system where a 20-kg object is subjected to three forces resulting in a specific acceleration. The forces provided are F1 and F2, and the task is to determine the unknown force F3 based on the net force and acceleration.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the net force and the individual forces, questioning how to correctly calculate the total force and isolate F3. There is an exploration of the equation Fnet = F1 + F2 + F3 and how to apply it in this context.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on the need to find the net force first and then use it to solve for F3. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the definitions of net force and resultant force.

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There is some confusion regarding the calculation of the net force and how it relates to the individual forces, which may stem from the initial setup of the problem. Participants are seeking clarification on these points.

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1.I am stuck on this problem can anyone help me?

A 20-kg object is subjected to three forces which produce an acceleration a = -8 m.s-2 i + 6.0 m.s-2 j on the object. Two of the forces are:
F1 = 3.0 N i + 16.0 N j
F2 = -12.0 N i+ 8.0 N j
Find the third force.

2. Homework Equations

F = F1 + F2 + F3

a = Fnet / m

3. The Attempt at a Solution

F1 = 3.0 N i + 16.0 N j
F2 = -12.0 N i + 8.0 N j
Fnet = -9 N i + 24 N j

a = Fnet / m = -9 N / 20 kg i + 24 / 20 kg j = -0.5 i + 1.2 j
 
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hi eddiepi2012! welcome to pf! :smile:

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)
eddiepi2012 said:
a = Fnet / m

3. The Attempt at a Solution

F1 = 3.0 N i + 16.0 N j
F2 = -12.0 N i + 8.0 N j
Fnet = -9 N i + 24 N j

but that's not Fnet

Fnet is the total force :wink:
 
Ok so how do I find the total force I understand that I am searching for F3 but how do I find it based on the information given?? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks tiny-tim.
 
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Thank you tiny-tim for welcoming me to PF. :)
 
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Thank you tiny-tim for welcoming me to PF. :)
 


tiny-tim said:
hi eddiepi2012! welcome to pf! :smile:

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)but that's not Fnet

Fnet is the total force :wink:

I believe this (-9 N i + 24 N j) is the Resultant of F1 + F2. Having this information how do I find F3?
 
hi eddiepi2012! :smile:

(just got up :zzz:)
eddiepi2012 said:
I believe this (-9 N i + 24 N j) is the Resultant of F1 + F2. Having this information how do I find F3?

first, use Fnet = ma to find Fnet

then subtract F1 and F2
 

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