How Do You Calculate the Work Done by Friction on a Skier?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by friction on a skier coasting up a hill. The problem involves concepts from mechanics, specifically energy conservation and frictional forces, as the skier's speed changes while moving up an incline.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of energy conservation equations and the correct interpretation of height in relation to the angle of the slope. There are attempts to calculate the work done by friction and the kinetic frictional force, with some questioning the signs used in their calculations.

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Some participants have identified mistakes in their calculations, particularly regarding the height and the sign of gravitational acceleration. There is a recognition of the need to clarify assumptions about potential energy and coordinate systems, leading to adjustments in their approaches.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may impose specific methods or expectations for problem-solving. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct application of physics principles without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement


A 71.2-kg skier coasts up a snow-covered hill that makes an angle of 31.4 ° with the horizontal. The initial speed of the skier is 9.96 m/s. After coasting a distance of 2.04 m up the slope, the speed of the skier is 4.41 m/s. (a) Find the work done by the kinetic frictional force that acts on the skis. (b) What is the magnitude of the kinetic frictional force?


Homework Equations


Ef= Eo (aka 1/2mvf^2 + mghf = 1/2mvo^2 + mgho


The Attempt at a Solution


Final: 1/2(71.2)(4.41)2+71.2(-9.8)(1.74) = -521 (H=2.04cos(31.4), right?)
Initial: 1/2(71.2)(9.96)2+71(-9.8)(0) = 3531

The answer our phyrics program gives for this problem is A: -2100J and for B: 1030N. But I cannot figure this problem out. What am I doing wrong?
 
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The angle is with the horizontal, so the height should be 2.04sin(31.4)
 
Ok, that was one mistake but I must of done something else, I still get the wrong answer.

Final: 1/2(71.2)(4.41)2+(71.2)(-9.8)(1.06) = -47.27324
Initial: 1/2(71.2)(9.96)2+(71.2)(-9.8)(0) = 3531.57696

Ef - Eo = -3578.85284

The answer is supposed to be -2100J. Must be something else that I am doing wrong.
 
Your sign on g is wrong. The way you have it, the potential energy is lower when you are higher up.
 
Oh. that's works. I totally thought that it was supposed to be -9.8. thanks. Now I'm getting -2100.
 
For energy, g is almost always positive. In fact, it's best to leave g positive and determine the sign based on the coordinate system in use.
 

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