How Do You Calculate Work and Internal Energy in Thermodynamics?

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This discussion focuses on calculating work and internal energy in thermodynamics, specifically using the ideal gas law and the first law of thermodynamics. Key examples include calculating work done by a gas during expansion and compression at constant pressure, as well as determining the mass of helium gas when energy is added at constant pressure. The correct approach involves using the formula W = P * ΔV and understanding the relationship between heat, work, and internal energy through the equation ΔU = Q - W.

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  • Understanding of the ideal gas law (PV = nRT)
  • Knowledge of the first law of thermodynamics (ΔU = Q - W)
  • Familiarity with specific heat capacities (Cp and Cv)
  • Ability to perform unit conversions (e.g., atm to Pa, liters to cubic meters)
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1. A gas is compressed from 10.00 L to 2.00 L at a constant pressure of 0.800 atm. In the process, 400 J of energy leaves the gas by heat.
(a) What is the work done by the gas?
(b) What is the change in its internal energy?

so for part a, i have tried:
P*deltaV=W
8.106E4 * 8 = 6.48E5 for the answer to part a, it is wrong and i don't know how else to approch this. I put the pressure in Pa, but maybe i should have left it in atm? i don't know, any help would be wonderful. And for part b, i know that Q-W=U, so i should be able to get b, once i figure out part a.


2. Gas in a container is at a pressure of 1.30 atm and a volume of 3.00 m3.
(a) What is the work done by the gas if it expands at constant pressure to twice its initial volume?
(b) If it is compressed at constant pressure to one quarter of its initial volume?

So far for part a, i have tried:
W=P*delta V
1.32E5 * 3000L = 3.96E8 J, but this isn't right...
I also tired:
W=Pln(vf/vi)
1.32E5* ln(6000/3000) = 9.15E4 J... again wrong
not sure what else to try, and again, part b will be much the same once i understand part a


lastly,
3. A sample of helium behaves as an ideal gas as energy is added by heat at constant pressure from 273 K to 393 K. If the gas does 15.0 J of work, what is the mass of helium present?

so i have tried:
Q=mc*deltaT
15=m*5.193*120
m=.0241moles *4g/mol = .0482g... but wrong


Any and all help/suggestiong would be much appreciated thankyou.
 
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Question 1.(a) seems a logical place to begin. Think about question (a) again; is the gas doing work or are you doing work on the gas?
 
buttterfly41 said:
2. Gas in a container is at a pressure of 1.30 atm and a volume of 3.00 m3.
(a) What is the work done by the gas if it expands at constant pressure to twice its initial volume?
(b) If it is compressed at constant pressure to one quarter of its initial volume?

So far for part a, i have tried:
W=P*delta V
1.32E5 * 3000L = 3.96E8 J, but this isn't right...
Your method is correct (dW = PdV so W = \int dW = P\int dV = P(V_f - V_i)). Check your units. If you are using MKS you cannot use litres.
3. A sample of helium behaves as an ideal gas as energy is added by heat at constant pressure from 273 K to 393 K. If the gas does 15.0 J of work, what is the mass of helium present?

so i have tried:
Q=mc*deltaT
15=m*5.193*120
m=.0241moles *4g/mol = .0482g... but wrong
Since you know that PV = nRT, create an expression for W in terms of temperatures and determine n from that.

I am not sure of your thinking using the heat approach.

Since dQ = nC_pdT = dU + dW = nC_vdT + PdV you can work out n. What is the difference in specific heats (Cp - Cv)?

AM
 
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thanks to both of you, i was confused, but i get it now! THANKS1!
 

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