How Do You Calculate Work and Internal Energy in Thermodynamics?

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The discussion revolves around calculating work and internal energy in thermodynamics, specifically involving gas behavior under various conditions such as compression and expansion at constant pressure. The original poster presents multiple scenarios involving different gases and asks for assistance in determining work done and changes in internal energy.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of work using the formula W = P * ΔV, questioning unit conversions and the application of pressure in different contexts. There are attempts to apply the ideal gas law and specific heat equations to find mass and energy changes.

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Some participants suggest revisiting the assumptions about work being done on or by the gas, and there is a focus on unit consistency in calculations. Guidance is offered regarding the use of the ideal gas law and relationships between heat, work, and internal energy, indicating a productive exploration of the concepts involved.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding unit conversions, particularly between liters and cubic meters, and the implications of using different pressure units. There is also mention of the need to clarify the specific heats of gases in relation to the problem at hand.

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1. A gas is compressed from 10.00 L to 2.00 L at a constant pressure of 0.800 atm. In the process, 400 J of energy leaves the gas by heat.
(a) What is the work done by the gas?
(b) What is the change in its internal energy?

so for part a, i have tried:
P*deltaV=W
8.106E4 * 8 = 6.48E5 for the answer to part a, it is wrong and i don't know how else to approch this. I put the pressure in Pa, but maybe i should have left it in atm? i don't know, any help would be wonderful. And for part b, i know that Q-W=U, so i should be able to get b, once i figure out part a.


2. Gas in a container is at a pressure of 1.30 atm and a volume of 3.00 m3.
(a) What is the work done by the gas if it expands at constant pressure to twice its initial volume?
(b) If it is compressed at constant pressure to one quarter of its initial volume?

So far for part a, i have tried:
W=P*delta V
1.32E5 * 3000L = 3.96E8 J, but this isn't right...
I also tired:
W=Pln(vf/vi)
1.32E5* ln(6000/3000) = 9.15E4 J... again wrong
not sure what else to try, and again, part b will be much the same once i understand part a


lastly,
3. A sample of helium behaves as an ideal gas as energy is added by heat at constant pressure from 273 K to 393 K. If the gas does 15.0 J of work, what is the mass of helium present?

so i have tried:
Q=mc*deltaT
15=m*5.193*120
m=.0241moles *4g/mol = .0482g... but wrong


Any and all help/suggestiong would be much appreciated thankyou.
 
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Question 1.(a) seems a logical place to begin. Think about question (a) again; is the gas doing work or are you doing work on the gas?
 
buttterfly41 said:
2. Gas in a container is at a pressure of 1.30 atm and a volume of 3.00 m3.
(a) What is the work done by the gas if it expands at constant pressure to twice its initial volume?
(b) If it is compressed at constant pressure to one quarter of its initial volume?

So far for part a, i have tried:
W=P*delta V
1.32E5 * 3000L = 3.96E8 J, but this isn't right...
Your method is correct (dW = PdV so [itex]W = \int dW = P\int dV = P(V_f - V_i)[/itex]). Check your units. If you are using MKS you cannot use litres.
3. A sample of helium behaves as an ideal gas as energy is added by heat at constant pressure from 273 K to 393 K. If the gas does 15.0 J of work, what is the mass of helium present?

so i have tried:
Q=mc*deltaT
15=m*5.193*120
m=.0241moles *4g/mol = .0482g... but wrong
Since you know that PV = nRT, create an expression for W in terms of temperatures and determine n from that.

I am not sure of your thinking using the heat approach.

Since [itex]dQ = nC_pdT = dU + dW = nC_vdT + PdV[/itex] you can work out n. What is the difference in specific heats (Cp - Cv)?

AM
 
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thanks to both of you, i was confused, but i get it now! THANKS1!
 

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